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pasquanel
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 Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: No Will To Drill |
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| Democrats have been adamantly opposed. They say that we cannot drill our way out of the oil crisis. Of course not. But it is equally obvious that we cannot solar or wind or biomass our way out. Does this mean that because any one measure cannot solve a problem, it needs to be rejected? |
You can read the rest of this opinion piece here 
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| He swiped that one from Paris Hilton.
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:41 am Post subject: |
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The US has 3% of the worlds oil reserves.
The US uses 25% of the worlds oil production.
There is no way drilling 3% of the worlds oil reserves,
is going to replace 25% of the worlds oil production.
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pasquanel
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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He never said drilling was the only answer the point is there has to be a transition period no one technology can satisfy the US need for energy
at this time we need to do all of the above. When a wind farm was proposed off Nantucket MA the two democrats Kerry and Kennedy
screamed the loudest!! Even though the proposed site was five or miles away it was "not in my backyard". |
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pasquanel
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:47 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
He swiped that one from Paris Hilton.
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So far she has made more sense than either of our two candidates!  |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
The US has 3% of the worlds oil reserves.
The US uses 25% of the worlds oil production.
There is no way drilling 3% of the worlds oil reserves,
is going to replace 25% of the worlds oil production.
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Source, please Ken? That's not what's on the news every day.
Oh, I see. You only count what we're allowed to drill, not what we have in Oil Shale, Anwar, and off shore, which total more than the entire middle east combined.
And, if you bother to read, as pasquanel said, he's calling for more than drilling. Hmm, sounds like the Republican plan - find more, use less. Solve our immediate problem and prepare for the future. No wonder Democrats oppose that plan - it actually makes sense!
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Sgt Schultz
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:17 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| The only immediate problem though is that the price of oil has gone up. There isn't a problem with the actual supply of oil. |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
And, if you bother to read, as pasquanel said, he's calling for more than drilling. Hmm, sounds like the Republican plan - find more, use less. Solve our immediate problem and prepare for the future. No wonder Democrats oppose that plan - it actually makes sense!
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That is Paris Hiltons' plan that he swiped.
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micker377
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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"Oh, I see. You only count what we're allowed to drill, not what we have in Oil Shale, Anwar, and off shore, which total more than the entire middle east combined."
To quote yourself "Source, please"!!! |
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pasquanel
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: oil reserves [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Us oil reserves
Your not going to hear much about this because the radical left environmentalist don't want us to solve our energy dependence on the Middle East. This entire debate really has nothing to do with a shortage of oil it's about power and control!
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: oil reserves [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| pasquanel wrote: |
Us oil reserves
Your not going to hear much about this because the radical left environmentalist don't want us to solve our energy dependence on the Middle East. This entire debate really has nothing to do with a shortage of oil it's about power and control!
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Today's Technology Can Tap Only 1.4 Percent of Bakken's Oil
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The federal assessment was that 3 billion to 4.2 billion barrels, with a "mean" of 3.65 billion barrels, could be recovered using today's technology in the unconventional shale formation; about 2.6 billion under the North Dakota side and slightly more than 1 billion under the Montana side, Helms said.
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. "It will take 15 years just to drill" wells to begin harvesting the Bakken, he said. |
This solution is not immediate nor would it replace any US oil imports.
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pasquanel
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: oil reserves [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Windmills, Solar panels, Bio, aren't immediate either but the journey of a thousand miles begins with but a single step my friend.
It's going to take a concerted effort from all of us and the first thing that needs to happen is we have to stop fighting and start working.
We the US are in a bind but if we pull together we will succeed if not well you already know the rest of the story. |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| micker377 wrote: |
"Oh, I see. You only count what we're allowed to drill, not what we have in Oil Shale, Anwar, and off shore, which total more than the entire middle east combined."
To quote yourself "Source, please"!!! |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves
Sorry, this was a link Ken posted the same day in another thread. There are others if you'd like more, but the bottom line is that we have about 2,500,000,000,000 barrels of oil in oil shale alone, compared to 748,500,000,000 barrels in the middle east. And that doesn't include anything else we have. |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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There are many problems to be overcome before oil from "oil" shale becomes a reality.
If there were enough electricity, water, and if people did not care about polluting the environment, it would be a goer.
As it stands at the moment, those three main issues remain to be solved, as well as others.
It is still a theoretical "2,500,000,000,000 barrels of oil" because as kerogen, it's not a simple case of drilling and pumping,
like real oil can be.
It remains "pie in the sky".
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pasquanel
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| It remains "pie in the sky". |
We have been able to do this for many years now it just was not profitable when oil was $20 a barrel.
see here....shale oil |
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Sgt Schultz
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| pasquanel wrote: |
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| It remains "pie in the sky". |
We have been able to do this for many years now it just was not profitable when oil was $20 a barrel.
see here....shale oil |
Very true, which is why the public will wonder what is going on when prices don't drop even if we get and use more domestic oil. |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
There are many problems to be overcome before oil from "oil" shale becomes a reality.
If there were enough electricity, water, and if people did not care about polluting the environment, it would be a goer.
As it stands at the moment, those three main issues remain to be solved, as well as others.
It is still a theoretical "2,500,000,000,000 barrels of oil" because as kerogen, it's not a simple case of drilling and pumping,
like real oil can be.
It remains "pie in the sky".
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Ken, you've made this claim repeatedly without backing it up. I've tried to explain your error, yet you persist. Please back up your claim that shale oil can't be made into oil. |
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pasquanel
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Even if the price does not drop one more cent at least we aren't paying to arm our enemies!
When we become energy independent that's $ 780 billion a year not going to the middle east! |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:03 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
| kenmabmcc wrote: |
There are many problems to be overcome before oil from "oil" shale becomes a reality.
If there were enough electricity, water, and if people did not care about polluting the environment, it would be a goer.
As it stands at the moment, those three main issues remain to be solved, as well as others.
It is still a theoretical "2,500,000,000,000 barrels of oil" because as kerogen, it's not a simple case of drilling and pumping,
like real oil can be.
It remains "pie in the sky".
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Ken, you've made this claim repeatedly without backing it up. I've tried to explain your error, yet you persist. Please back up your claim that shale oil can't be made into oil. |
Where did I say kerogen cannot be reformed to replace some of the fractions that real oil has.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale
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| Authorities have described the name oil shale as a promotional misnomer, since the rock does not necessarily consist of a shale and its kerogen differs from crude oil; it requires more processing than crude oil, which affects its economic viability as a crude-oil substitute and increases its environmental impact |
In-situ processing uses a considerable amount of the kerogin as fuel,
causes great environmental pollution,
uses large amounts of electricity,
consumes at least 3 barrels of water for every barrel of oil fraction recovered,
all this in an area poorly served with electricity and with poor water resources.
Until all these problems can be resolved,
"oil" "shale" oil remains "pie in the sky".
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