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mommabear



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:18 pm    Post subject: Which is best for Double/Dual Layer dvd discs?

I am about to step into the world of DVD9 for video backup. Can someone recommend a good brand? And should I get +R or -R? I've been trying to read up on it and just as I become convinced that +R is better (with booktype for compatibility with older dvd players) then somebody chimes in and says they've never had a problem with the -R's. At that moment all confidence in my decision-making flies out the window again. I can say that from what I've read, Verbatim is the hands down favorite brand, but I'd still like to get some input from my friends at LG.

I have a LG GSA-H22L burner and it is compatible with both kinds.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:47 am    Post subject: Re: Which is best for Double/Dual Layer dvd discs? [Login to view extended thread Info.]

For DVD+r DL we haven't used any brand but Memorex with no coasters yet.

DVD-r will not play on some older player.

DVD+r we get name brand like, Memorex, HP, Sony only when on sale, we have no name DVD all so with not many coaster, maybe because we use Nero StartSmart.

brat has copied over 300 VHS movies we have.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is best for Double/Dual Layer dvd discs? [Login to view extended thread Info.]

I heard good reports about Verbatim CD & DVR, so I bought 50 CD and 100 DVR-R. BAD mistake, I have had about a 5% bad burnings from Verbatim.

I previously used HP and Sony brands with no bad burnings at all, so I went back to them. As for +R or -R, I read that -R will hold slightly more data than +R, but I know that the -Rs I burned will not play on my older LightScribe DVD drive.

I'll stick with HP or Sony and buy +R from now on. Laughing


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:45 am    Post subject: Re: Which is best for Double/Dual Layer dvd discs? [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Brand?

I've been using Verbatim since the days of the 5.25" floppy. They have always been top quality and I've used thousands of them.

Of course that's not to say that somewhere out there That there's not some person or another that has problems with them for whatever reason.

Two of the biggest problems I've ever seen with anyone burning CD's or even worse DVD's is not the brand but the way the person tries to do the burn.

Some folks will try to burn a disk with their browser open and a dozen or more programs running at the same time.

Some folks till try to burn at 56x just because that's the speed printed on the CD label.

BAD! Very BAD!

For the very best burn, with any brand of disk, shut down all running programs before even opening your Burning Software, then...

Select a slow speed for the burn, like 8x or 16x, even if the disk wrapper says 56x or some such.

All CD burning software wants total control of the computer while it's working and will resent any software that interrupts the orderly data flow from the HD to the CD burner. AV programs are probably the worse offenders.

Having a system in tip top shape doesn't hurt anything either. Wink

It doesn't matter what brand of disks you buy, if you've got a system loaded down with redundant services, TSR's and assorted Crapware, you're going to make some real nice coasters.

I love the Verbatim printable silver CD's and I go through about a hundred a month. I also buy anything I can find on sale, brand name or no-name. DVD +r or -r makes little difference as long as I can get them cheap enough. They all work just fine on my system.

On my system, using Nero 6.x burning software and two LG drives, I can burn two disks at once. I NEVER get coasters.
Those days are long since past, since I learned the simple steps I've already outlined here in this post. Follow my lead and say goodbye to coasters.

Cheers Mates!

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mommabear



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is best for Double/Dual Layer dvd discs? [Login to view extended thread Info.]

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I also buy anything I can find on sale, brand name or no-name. DVD +r or -r makes little difference as long as I can get them cheap enough. They all work just fine on my system.

In general that's what I do too. Although at one time I did have a lot of problems with a spindle of Verbatim DVD's. But I later realized part of my troubles might have been because my burner was failing too.

I have the new burner, but that experience has made me a little leery of investing the extra money for the Verbatim dual layer dvd's, even though many people recommend them. So I thought I'd ask here about the DL type and get some feedback to make me feel better about what to purchase. (Fully realizing that sometimes a faulty disc or discs can get through the quality control at the manufacturer.)

But for DVD9's, do you have a preference for a specific brand-type, if you can find them at a decent price? Or do you go for the cheapest with those too?

As for your other good tips, I follow those also. I never do other things at my computer while burning anything, use slow speeds, etc, etc.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:51 am    Post subject: Re: Which is best for Double/Dual Layer dvd discs? [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Hello,

I have had good results burning DVD-R's and DVD+R's using media from Memorex, TDK and Verbatim.

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Aryeh Goretsky
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is best for Double/Dual Layer dvd discs? [Login to view extended thread Info.]

z,
I have four drives running, in two computers, that will burn the dual layer disks. I've yet to buy the first one. They are expensive and I really don't need them....YET.

But if I decide to try them, I'll surely NOT buy a whole spindle. Maybe a single or three-pack, first to see how they work. I'll be shopping for low price, not brand name.

I recently tried the RAM-Disk. Bought just one to test with. They work just like a big floppy. Neat! Really neat!
But the drive has to be compatible with the RAM Disks.

Cheers!

Shadow Cool
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hamhox



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is best for Double/Dual Layer dvd discs? [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Shadow;
My first experience with CD burning was when I got a used HP 4X unit from a colleague who, along with the drive, gave me copies of Adaptec S/W to run the drive. There were about 6 patches which he told me had to be run in in a specific order, which I viewed with suspicion, especially because he told me repeatedly that the system wouldn't be able to do ANYTHING ELSE AT ALL during burning. No multitasking of any sort, don't even think about it, you'll be making coasters. Needless to say, I wasn't about to embark on any attempt to use such a lame setup. I got Nero and installed it, I think it was v5. For the initial test I started a burn, then I:
Launched Word, edited a doc and printed it out.
Logged on to the Internet and retrieved my emails & logged off
Another thing or two - don't remember what, but Nero just went on about the business of writing the CD which turned out fine. I never had anything but problems with Adaptec the few times I tried to use it.

Eric Schell
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zlim



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:30 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

For me, the opposite is true: Adaptec just works and Nero always causes a problem. I think, in the past it had a lot to do with the hardware (CD burner). Some burners worked with one software over the other. That is probably not true with today's hardware. Also remember that computers came with a lot less RAM so it just wasn't possible to do many things because of that. If your friend had a low end computer with little RAM, he discovered he could only burn and do nothing else.
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deirdre



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is best for Double/Dual Layer dvd discs? [Login to view extended thread Info.]

For DVD-r or +R, both my NEC and Sony drives do best with Verbatim brand DLs. All our various MFG DVD/DVR players/recorders connected to our TVs like them, too.

My PC's Sony DVD DL multi-drive and all my TV's DVD Player Recorders use Panasonic RAM discs with no problems. I only use RAM media for backups and for preserving things like photos.

Verbatim DLs are cheap at Sam's Club, BTW. I use either Slysoft software or Roxio Creator 9 for any burning on either DVDs or CDs. Nero has always not gotten along with my computers that are running XP for some reason.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is best for Double/Dual Layer dvd discs? [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Weird!

I keep hearing this, "Nero doesn't do this, or that" and I have to seriously question what's going on.

My first drive came with Adaptec software and all I could get was Coasters.
It made no matter what settings I used on the PC itself or how I cabled the burner to the mobo. I tried every possible configuration.

At the advise of a professional CD maker, I bought the full retail version of Nero and I've been using it or updates to it ever since. Even though Nero 7.x is available, I'm still using Nero 6.x, as it's much smaller and serves my needs.

These days almost all high end CD/DVD burners (boxed, retail) come with Nero software. It's the Express version and not the full retail version that I use, but it Works just fine. So far, I've never seen it fail, on any system.

I'd have to say that if anyone's having problems with it, look to your system and the way you've got your CD/DVD burner configured in your system. For instance, cabling your burner and your HD together on the same IDE cable is strictly a NO-NO!

Burners work best when they have total/exclusive access to an IDE port on the mobo.

Good Luck,
Shadow Cool
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deirdre



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is best for Double/Dual Layer dvd discs? [Login to view extended thread Info.]

My systems burn CD and DVD fine if I simply avoid Nero (it often hangs just opening itself), so no need to fix hardware configurations that aren't broken, especially when Nero has a well known reputation for being buggy in spite of being anointed the "cool" one to use for burning, LOL
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is best for Double/Dual Layer dvd discs? [Login to view extended thread Info.]

I beg your pardon, but where are you getting your information about Nero?

Almost all major drive manufacturers are packaging NERO with their Retail Boxed drives. It runs fine on every system I've ever tried it on, and that numbers into the hundreds.

Your problem is your problem, not Nero's.

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mommabear



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:10 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

I've tried Nero a few times (in my days of trying to get out of the Roxio maze) and I didn't see much difference, bug-wise or bloat-wise. But if you look at Ashampoo Burning Studio which I used now, you will see that I lean to simplicity because I don't do a lot of media work. I basically just burn data discs and sometimes a music cd.

But as I see my thread has been resurrected, I'll let you all know that I finally did it! My project was to copy a full Madonna concert my daughter had purchased, so she could have a backup. Neither she nor I seemed to have the time to hunt down Verbatim's and I was getting impatient to get on with it. I was also anxious to make sure my fairly new burner could burn double layer as it is getting close to the warranty expiring. So I grabbed a 3pk of Memorex (+R DL) for $10 at K-mart the other day.

Success!

Thanks for the help, everybody!
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brat



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:56 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Heres where i got mine, i make lots of movie that DL.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?E...o=15164

mrs12brat
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deirdre



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Which is best for Double/Dual Layer dvd discs? [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Wow - that is amazing that you can say Nero never is buggy or the problem since you haven't personally ever experienced an issue with their software. *straight-face*

Each title has its fans and detractors, but none of them are totally bugless in the real world, sorry.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:29 am    Post subject: Re: Which is best for Double/Dual Layer dvd discs? [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Hello,

Generally speaking, it is a good idea to use the disc mastering software and brand of media recommending by the optical disc drive manufacturer's technical support department, as some manufacturers may maintain a list of compatible programs or recommended media.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky
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