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clhenry
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 Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: Democratic grass roots fret over Obama |
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Grassroots activists whose energy and donations have helped to propel Barack Obama towards the White House are suddenly choking on the bitter pill of disillusion.
In less than a month since clinching the Democratic nomination, he has performed a series of policy pirouettes to assuage concerns about his candidacy among a wider and more conservative electorate.
It is change, but not the type for which many of those who enthusiastically supported Mr Obama during the primaries had hoped.
The biggest group on Mr Obama's own web portal was one pleading with him yesterday to vote against domestic wire-tapping of terror suspects, which gives phone companies immunity from prosecution for past misdeeds.
By 11am 18,733 activists had joined the group, a fivefold increase in a week since he pledged support for the Bill. Previously he had described this measure as violating basic civil liberties, adding: “We have to make clear the lines that cannot be crossed.” On Thursday, Mr Obama posted his own message on the site, saying he was “happy to take my lumps” because democracy could not exist without dissent. While some people may view his position as a deal-breaker, he said, “our agreement on the vast majority of issues that matter outweighs the differences”.
By then, though, he was fighting another fire over remarks he made in North Dakota suggesting that he would “refine” his policy of a withdrawal of all combat troops from Iraq within 16 months of taking office. |
Looks like he may be losing some steam with his change in direction. |
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ejward
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Democratic grass roots fret over Obama [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| His most recent admission that he'd need to rely on the truth on the ground and actually listen to the commanders in Iraq rather than just pull everyone out and consequences be da**ed won't help matters. |
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clhenry
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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McCain was down 12 in the Gallup polls. It has now closed to
Obama 46% McCain 44%
Starting to get interesting. |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:28 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/vo...s_perce
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Historically Democratic presidential candidates veer to the left politically and Republicans to the right during the party primary season, but once they have secured the nomination, the candidates of both parties begin courting more moderate voters in the center. Perhaps as a reflection of what the new numbers say, McCain, who has been forced to keep courting conservatives in his own party, last week shook up the highest levels of his campaign staff.
Obama, at the same time, has been working with his former rival, Hillary Clinton, to help retire her campaign debt and to heal the party for the fall elections. |
So it's not unusual for the nominee to adjust their campaigns.
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Currently, 15% of voters consider themselves Very Conservative and another 24% say they are Somewhat Conservative. Thirty-four percent (34%) identify themselves as politically moderate. Eighteen percent (18%) are Somewhat Liberal and 7% Very Liberal.
A recent analysis focused on how voters rated themselves ideologically on fiscal and social issues. One interesting tidbit from that story is that libertarian voters (fiscally conservative and socially liberal) favor Obama, not McCain. |
Interesting.
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xavierx
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| So in other words, Obama is just being a typical politician, right? That's the defense for changing his tune on so many things? What happened to being a different kind of politician, of not practicing "politics as usual", or to "change we can believe in"? Just words? |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
| So in other words, Obama is just being a typical politician, right? That's the defense for changing his tune on so many things? What happened to being a different kind of politician, of not practicing "politics as usual", or to "change we can believe in"? Just words? |
For both McCain and Obama there are only words,
the deeds come after the election. |
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clhenry
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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For both McCain and Obama there are only words,
the deeds come after the election. |
But you vote on the words they say now. |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
| xavierx wrote: |
| So in other words, Obama is just being a typical politician, right? That's the defense for changing his tune on so many things? What happened to being a different kind of politician, of not practicing "politics as usual", or to "change we can believe in"? Just words? |
For both McCain and Obama there are only words,
the deeds come after the election. |
This isn't about McCain. Obama is the one running on "change". Would you like to try again with an actual rebuttal? |
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