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kenmabmcc
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 Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: Cuba seeks to buy US materials for Ike recovery |
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http://www.wnct.com/nct/news/world/article/cuba_seeks_to_buy_us_materi..._for_ik
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Cuba has asked for trade bans to be lifted so it can buy American materials to help in recovery efforts after Hurricane Ike. But it has turned down a US offer to send Cuba $100,000 in emergency aid.
Ike damaged 200,000 homes before it left Cuba Tuesday. And earlier this month, Hurricane Gustav damaged more than 100,000 homes. |
I suppose election year politics will deny a neighbours request to buy materials..
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ejward
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Cuba seeks to buy US materials for Ike recovery [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Yeah. I heard on NPR that Bush said "no". I'm sure he'll reverse that. I hope anyway. I think we should put the whole "Cuba" thing to bed. At least for stuff like this.
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xavierx
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| I don't think we should lift the trade bans at all, despite the tragedy. Instead, whatever they need we should be either giving them, or if Cuba insists on not taking our stuff like they don't want our money, then they can buy it from the government. That keeps the pressure on, but helps those in need. |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: Cuba seeks to buy US materials for Ike recovery [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| ejward wrote: |
| Yeah. I heard on NPR that Bush said "no". I'm sure he'll reverse that. I hope anyway. I think we should put the whole "Cuba" thing to bed. At least for stuff like this. |
This is a cold war hangover that US presidents avoid like the plague because of ex-Cuban voter backlash in Florida.
It is stupid that it is OK to trade with Russia, China, and Libya,
but not OK with Cuba.
With the continued imposition of sanctions, US is only seen as the playground bully,
and post hurricanes Ike and Gustav, have given the Cuban leadership another great propaganda tool.
The only thing holding back freedom and democracy in Cuba is US sanctions.
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xavierx
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Cuba seeks to buy US materials for Ike recovery [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
| The only thing holding back freedom and democracy in Cuba is US sanctions. |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Cuba seeks to buy US materials for Ike recovery [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
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| The only thing holding back freedom and democracy in Cuba is US sanctions. |
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Yes I agree, it is really hilarious that the only world super power at this time, feels so threatened by a tiny nation....
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bern
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: Re: Cuba seeks to buy US materials for Ike recovery [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
http://www.wnct.com/nct/news/world/article/cuba_seeks_to_buy_us_materi..._for_ik
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Cuba has asked for trade bans to be lifted so it can buy American materials to help in recovery efforts after Hurricane Ike. But it has turned down a US offer to send Cuba $100,000 in emergency aid.
Ike damaged 200,000 homes before it left Cuba Tuesday. And earlier this month, Hurricane Gustav damaged more than 100,000 homes. |
I suppose election year politics will deny a neighbours request to buy materials..
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Why, if they really need stuff, do they turn down offers of aid??? It seems that cold war mentality afflicts both sides. |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| No, bern, you have that wrong. Only the US is evil. Everyone else is pure as driven snow. |
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Martok
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: Cuba seeks to buy US materials for Ike recovery [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
| ejward wrote: |
| Yeah. I heard on NPR that Bush said "no". I'm sure he'll reverse that. I hope anyway. I think we should put the whole "Cuba" thing to bed. At least for stuff like this. |
This is a cold war hangover that US presidents avoid like the plague because of ex-Cuban voter backlash in Florida.
It is stupid that it is OK to trade with Russia, China, and Libya,
but not OK with Cuba.
With the continued imposition of sanctions, US is only seen as the playground bully,
and post hurricanes Ike and Gustav, have given the Cuban leadership another great propaganda tool.
The only thing holding back freedom and democracy in Cuba is US sanctions.
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The playground bully here is Castro (both of them).
Cuba was offered FREE AID and REFUSED, and you blame the US.
"The only thing holding back freedom and democracy in Cuba is"...
THE COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP in Cuba...and it's supporters, like you. |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Cuba seeks to buy US materials for Ike recovery [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Cuba was offered FREE AID and REFUSED, and you blame the US.
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FREE AID...$100,000...and a few assessment teams.
That is why it was REFUSED
They would prefer to buy the reconstruction material required.
The regime would not survive if sanctions were lifted,
it has only survived this long
because the US has given them a great propaganda stick. |
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Martok
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Cuba seeks to buy US materials for Ike recovery [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| kenmabmcc wrote: |
| Martok wrote: |
Cuba was offered FREE AID and REFUSED, and you blame the US.
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FREE AID...$100,000...and a few assessment teams.
That is why it was REFUSED
They would prefer to buy the reconstruction material required.
The regime would not survive if sanctions were lifted,
it has only survived this long
because the US has given them a great propaganda stick. |
1 - What, because it wasn't enough...it was too much...or because it wasn't on their terms?
2 - Why don't you sell it to them.
3 - Sanctions didn't keep the regime in place. Supporters like you did. |
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: Cuba seeks to buy US materials for Ike recovery [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Martok wrote: |
| 1 - What, because it wasn't enough...it was too much...or because it wasn't on their terms? |
The USA refused aid from Cuba after Hurricane Katrina.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/world/latin-america-and-caribbean-poli...s/story
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Russia sent four cargo planes with tons of emergency supplies and construction materials, and Fidel Castro called Venezuela's aid ''most generous.'' China provided $300,000, and Cuba's state newspaper Granma said Brazil, Argentina and Mexico had also offered assistance. Spain also has sent planeloads of relief supplies.
''The United States, in the past, has acted honorably and quickly in response to hurricanes in Central America, tsunamis in Indonesia and earthquakes in Pakistan: they come in first, with the most resources and without conditions,'' said Frank Mora, a Cuba expert at the National War College in Washington.
''That has not been the case for Cuba. It's embarrassing and shameful that politics has inserted itself at a time when so many Cuban people on the island are suffering,'' Mora said.
Jorge Mas Santos, president of the Cuban American National Foundation, called the U.S. offer ``insulting.'' |
The Cubans gratefully accept unconditional aid.
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| 2 - Why don't you sell it to them. |
We would, but it would not be a great deal for the Cubans, as shipping cost would be high.
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| 3 - Sanctions didn't keep the regime in place. Supporters like you did. |
US Sanctions enable the Cuban regime to scapegoat the US with being the cause of all its economic ills.
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Martok
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: Re: Cuba seeks to buy US materials for Ike recovery [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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So what.
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| The Cubans gratefully accept unconditional aid. |
From our enemies and their supporters.
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2 - Why don't you sell it to them.
We would, but it would not be a great deal for the Cubans, as shipping cost would be high.
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Then wave the shipping costs.
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US Sanctions enable the Cuban regime to scapegoat the US with being the cause of all its economic ills.
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I'd rather be the scapegoat, than the actual cause.
Those who support Cuba by trade have played right into Castro's hand.
Who do you think profits...it's not the people, they're destitute...aren't they? That's what everyone who is against the US embargo says. Isn't it our fault they're so poor?
Maybe Russia and China and New Zeland should step up and do more trading with them.
Maybe Ken, you should step up and start smoking Cubans, you know, to help support your neighborhood destitute dictator...oh...er...peasants. 
It's amazing that the US "ALONE" can cause all this hardship in Cuba by doing NOTHING. You mean to tell me the US has more influence on the economy of Cuba than the ENTIRE WORLD???
If this is true, then the rest of the world is far more pathetic than even the worst "Ugly American" could have ever believed.
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kenmabmcc
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:22 am Post subject: Re: Cuba seeks to buy US materials for Ike recovery [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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2 - Why don't you sell it to them.
We would, but it would not be a great deal for the Cubans, as shipping cost would be high.
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Then wave the shipping costs.
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It would be cheaper for us to buy from the US and ship to Cuba
than to ship from NZ.
But the US sanctions do not allow that.
Getting a ship to go to Cuba runs up against the US sanctions also.
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Martok
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Cuba seeks to buy US materials for Ike recovery [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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2 - Why don't you sell it to them.
We would, but it would not be a great deal for the Cubans, as shipping cost would be high.
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Then wave the shipping costs.
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It would be cheaper for us to buy from the US and ship to Cuba
than to ship from NZ.
But the US sanctions do not allow that.
Getting a ship to go to Cuba runs up against the US sanctions also.
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If you quit making excuses for your own inaction and did something to help, you might make a difference.
Instead, you complain when the US does something...or doesn't do something...or tries to do something...
I guess it take less effort to criticize others than it takes to do things yourself. |
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