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is224sac



Joined: Feb 08, 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:10 am    Post subject: Creating a Data Partition

Windows 7 (Home Premium), 64Bit

I do BackUp, and maintain a Drive Image on 2 separate Ext Drives

OBJECT: To Creat a Data Partition

Hi, I have a computer with a 1.5TB single hard drive. Presently it contains(came with) a system partition of 100MB, No drive letter, a Factory Image Partition of 11.94GB as Partition "D", and the the rest is the "C" Partition. I am reading a tutorial on partitioning a hard drive but it starts with creating a partition from unallocated space.

Tutorial:
http://www.extend-partition.com/resource/how-to-partition-a-hard-drive.html

Thus far, for safety of my factory image, I have removed the drive letter "D" from my factory image. I have read other forums where the computer operators have somehow been able to install programs/data on their Factory Image/Recovery Image partition. I can only imagine what will happen if they ever have to re-install their image.

Windows 7 comes with a partition manager. Would creating a Data Partition be as simple as right clicking my "C" Partition and selecting "Creat Partition", then renameing the new partition to "Data" and assigning it a drive letter? Even though my current drive has no unallocated space? Or, should I be looking for information on creating un-allocated space by shrinking the "C" Partition, on my hard drive?

Thanks for any help or assistance.
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drwho07



Joined: Nov 29, 2007
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Location: Central FL, USA

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:28 pm    Post subject:

Ignoring any recovery partitions set up by the 'factory' most of any new PC's hard drive will be one huge partition. Not a very useful way to use a hard drive.

Discounting, for a moment, any way to manipulate partitions within windows, I would advise getting a professional Partitioning Tool, like Easeus Partition Manager. I actually have several partitioning programs but that one just comes to mind first.

With a Partitioning tool, you must first shrink the size of C: to make free space and then format that free space into whatever type of drive you need.
Even though Vista and Win-7 will NOT work on a FAT-32 formatted drive, unlike Windows XP, I find it much more usable to have my data partitions in FAT-32 mode rather than NTFS. In that mode, the data in the partition can be accessed even by a DOS boot disk. I like the freedom and accessibility that FAT-32 provides.

For a quickie backup, saving the backup image of the C: drive to a second partition is OK, but if the drive crashes, that backup will be gone.
For a more reliable backup, saving the Image File to a physical second drive, either internal or external, is much better, but again, if something like a lightning strike smokes the whole computer, that backup is gone too.
Unless, the external drive is disconnected and put in a SAFE place after doing the backup.

For maximum safety, a backup should be made to some removable media, like a DVD and then that DVD should be put in a very safe place like a fireproof vault.

In the most perfect backup scheme, you should have the ability to extract data files from a Whole Drive Backup, in case the original PC is destroyed.

For years, I've used a program called "Ghost". It was written by a company in New Zealand around 1997, before it was purchased by Symantec in 1998 and became "Norton's Ghost".
I still use the last DOS version, "Ghost 11.5" which I run from either a bootable flash drive or CD. I also have the "Ghost Explorer 11.5" which allows me to open a Ghost Image file and extract any file or folder and restore them to my hard drive. The Ghost Explorer program runs from within Windows.

When partitioning a HD for Win-7 and a data partition, I would leave at least 50 to 60 gigabytes in drive C and the rest in the data partition.

I hope all that helps, some.

Good Luck,
the Doctor Cool
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Baby_Tux



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:31 pm    Post subject:

Since I DO believe you know how to do the steps & only need a guide I'll give you one as such - if I'm wrong, please just ask for any details...
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As a quick "how to" outline , here is what I'd do; (along w/ Doc's advice)

1) Image the ENTIRE computer - that way if need be you can put it back as it is now [& start over] - always validate ALL images after creation, too.

2) Gather all the drivers (if you can) - these are what you will need if you ever have to rebuild the OS & step "1" also takes care of that but in a "bulky" way. So if you can't for some reason, this CAN be skipped, but it makes things easier. (there are tools for this but I've never used then -always had the disk - so can't give any advice here)

3) Get a good partitioning tool, DO NOT rely on M$ for this - gparted (on a boot disk) is free

4) Shrink the "C" partition to about 1/2 (or to your liking)

5) Make new partition

6) re-image the ENTIRE computer - THIS will be your "restore" file, put it in a safe place & forget the other partition as Doc said. - KEEP THE FILE FROM STEP ONE, just in case you ever need to restore to original. Some warranty issues get picky on this...

BTW: at this point you can actually reformat that "other" partition & use it for REAL data, just be sure to re-image the entire machine again afterwards to create a new "restore" file as in step "6" - (you could even add that other partition to an adjacent partition.)

NOTE: Imaging the entire computer will be time consuming (as I'm sure you already know) but well worth it in the LONG RUN, & MOST imaging software now allow you to pull off individual files & such making a GREAT backup system.

But for your normal backup imaging, you can just image what you NEED to, such as data. The only time you need to do step "6" is if you make any changes that warrant it.
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Baby_Tux



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:57 pm    Post subject:

<rant mode on>

---Just a short rant - hoping that these computer companies come across this:---

Making the USERS area ONE BIG PARTITION is STUPID. Why can't you at LEAST give them a "DATA" partition as well, especially on an HD as big as they are now!!! - Besides, "good practice" says to SEPARATE the OS & "DATA" anyway!!

<rant mode off>

Thanks
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is224sac



Joined: Feb 08, 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:03 pm    Post subject:

Hi, and thank you for the replies Doc & Baby_Tux. Helpful information, it would seem I should start with "shrinking C drive" to get some un-allocated space to Partition and Format on the "C" drive to create the Data Partition. Thanks again.
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drwho07



Joined: Nov 29, 2007
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Location: Central FL, USA

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:24 pm    Post subject:

Yup! You can't create a new partition inside an old partition. Those who have tried, wound up with a totally unusable hard drive.

Most modern HD Partitioning programs won't let you screw up the process, like some older ones would.
But if you know the rules before you start, it makes the whole job go a lot smoother.

Good Luck,
Doc Cool
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zzron357



Joined: Oct 14, 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:03 pm    Post subject: Create data partition

Welcome back -- I had several weeks w/o Problem Solvers.
Since Vista and Win7 have a new boot system, I have found it best to use
them to resize "C". Some other partitioners mess with the new boot.
Then either use (Vista, Win7) to create new partition or use alternative.
I always use gparted to check partitions. Above is mentioned 100 Mb
hidden part. and "D" recovery part. Sounds like Dell with tiny utility partition
up front, and "D" is often before "C" in HDD. There can be only 4 "primary"
partitions so it helps to know what is already there.
I always create "data" partition, and use it to "image" to. I save image there and
copy to external drive and/or burn dvd. Much faster.
DOS versus LINUX. If running from a boot disk, it makes no difference to the
user which is running. Most recent tools run Linux instead of dos.
Try Puppy Linux. No need to "Learn" OS, just use it. So simple, you will not
believe so much can be done in 110 Mb. Same size as Win98 but complete with
many apps built in. Frugal install is great. Best wishes, zzron
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