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mommabear
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 Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: A Conservative for Obama |
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I think this article sums it up nicely for those Republicans who support Obama...and a lot of Democrats too.
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A Conservative for Obama
My party has slipped its moorings. It’s time for a true pragmatist to lead the country.
Leading Off By Wick Allison, Editor In Chief
HE MORE I LISTEN TO AND READ ABOUT “the most liberal member of the U.S. Senate,” the more I like him. Barack Obama strikes a chord with me like no political figure since Ronald Reagan. To explain why, I need to explain why I am a conservative and what it means to me. ...
Barack Obama is not my ideal candidate for president. (In fact, I made the maximum donation to John McCain during the primaries, when there was still hope he might come to his senses.) But I now see that Obama is almost the ideal candidate for this moment in American history. I disagree with him on many issues. But those don’t matter as much as what Obama offers, ...
“Every great cause,” Eric Hoffer wrote, “begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.” As a cause, conservatism may be dead. But as a stance, as a way of making judgments in a complex and difficult world, I believe it is very much alive in the instincts and predispositions of a liberal named Barack Obama.
http://www.dmagazine.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?nm=Core+Pages&type=gen&...d=Core+ |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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OK?
I don't see anything in there that supports Obama. I see someone mad at Bush for spending money. And he has wrongly concluded that Obama will spend less than McCain.
This, however, was the funniest line in that opinion:
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| But those don’t matter as much as what Obama offers, which is a deeply conservative view of the world. |
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ejward
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
OK?
I don't see anything in there that supports Obama. I see someone mad at Bush for spending money. And he has wrongly concluded that Obama will spend less than McCain.
This, however, was the funniest line in that opinion:
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| But those don’t matter as much as what Obama offers, which is a deeply conservative view of the world. |
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How's McCain going to buy up all these mortgages? That's going to cost hundreds of billions of dollars. |
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silmaril8n
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| ejward wrote: |
| xavierx wrote: |
OK?
I don't see anything in there that supports Obama. I see someone mad at Bush for spending money. And he has wrongly concluded that Obama will spend less than McCain.
This, however, was the funniest line in that opinion:
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| But those don’t matter as much as what Obama offers, which is a deeply conservative view of the world. |
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How's McCain going to buy up all these mortgages? That's going to cost hundreds of billions of dollars. |
Yup. 300 billion is what I've seen estimated. When Biden first talked about it during his debate one of the radio shows I listen to lambasted him as a lunatic with no understanding of the cost. Imagine his surprise when McCain came out with the same plan in the last debate! To his credit (I *think* it was Darrell Ankarlo), he came on the next day and basically that McCain was just as crazy and that the differences between the two parties was blurring once again. |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| ejward wrote: |
| xavierx wrote: |
OK?
I don't see anything in there that supports Obama. I see someone mad at Bush for spending money. And he has wrongly concluded that Obama will spend less than McCain.
This, however, was the funniest line in that opinion:
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| But those don’t matter as much as what Obama offers, which is a deeply conservative view of the world. |
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How's McCain going to buy up all these mortgages? That's going to cost hundreds of billions of dollars. |
I, and the independent investigations so far, haven't looked at a plan that hasn't been presented. Both campaigns are proposing new things that will cost us a fortune.
By the way, you chose to take my comment as saying that McCain is a fiscal conservative. He's not one, either, but much more so than Obama.
Anyway, my point was just that the idea that Obama is a conservative is hilarious. This opinion should have been on the Onion! |
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Sgt Schultz
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xavierx
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| I don't understand the point of this thread. People cross party lines. Do you guys want me to start posting all the Democrats voting for McCain (like my Father-in-Law, a lifetime Democrat who has never voted for a Republican for anything ever before)? |
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ejward
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
| I don't understand the point of this thread. People cross party lines. Do you guys want me to start posting all the Democrats voting for McCain (like my Father-in-Law, a lifetime Democrat who has never voted for a Republican for anything ever before)? |
Really? McCain is the all-time best that the Republicans have ever had to offer? according to your father in law. Or is it just that Obama is so bad? |
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Sgt Schultz
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
| I don't understand the point of this thread. |
Well that could be said about the majority of the threads posted but that hasn't stopped any of us before!  |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| ejward wrote: |
| xavierx wrote: |
| I don't understand the point of this thread. People cross party lines. Do you guys want me to start posting all the Democrats voting for McCain (like my Father-in-Law, a lifetime Democrat who has never voted for a Republican for anything ever before)? |
Really? McCain is the all-time best that the Republicans have ever had to offer? according to your father in law. Or is it just that Obama is so bad? |
Both. He truly fears an Obama presidency, and he likes McCain. I remember, up until he was nominated, for decades McCain was one Republican that Democrats liked. |
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ejward
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| I can see that. I would have voted for McCain in 2000 over anyone else. I decided to throw my vote away instead ..... but that's another story. |
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mommabear
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
| I don't understand the point of this thread. People cross party lines. Do you guys want me to start posting all the Democrats voting for McCain (like my Father-in-Law, a lifetime Democrat who has never voted for a Republican for anything ever before)? |
The point of this thread was to point out what the writer said, and a lot of us agree. These are very serious and important times. The Country is at a crossroads.
We don't need another leader who just plays the role of being President, without actually being a President. We don't need another "decider" who makes his decisions based on a strict ideology or an imagined whisper from God. We don't need another leader who only listens to those who agree with him and pushes out those who don't. We don't need another leader who doesn't worry past his terms about what state the country is in, and how he will leave it when he does go.
Now, is McCain like Bush in those ways? Maybe not totally. He does agree with the majority of what Bush has done these last years though; and for that he must take responsibility. But at the least, he's been an enabler. His Party has been an enabler.
I don't know why conservatives decided to go down the path have these last years. But with the Bush Presidency, the choices they made have now reached a flash point in time.
That's why the decision of Mr. Allison, and others like him, are more than just crossing party lines this time. They're doing it for the right reasons. He said it himself. He doesn't agree with Obama on a lot of issues, but those issues don't matter right now.
What matters is that the moment is now when we will stand at that crossroad. Will we stubbornly choose more of the same, or will we look to a new direction that is hopeful and inclusive for all of us, including the world? |
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