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ejward



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:24 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

rovingcowboy wrote:
kenmabmcc wrote:
xavierx wrote:
Perhaps you missed the fact that Terrorists have been at war with us for many years, and attacked us here multiple times ...


Terrorist attacks are not a war,
they are just criminal acts.

Wink


hogwash .

they have declared war on us they want to wipe the Americans off the face of the earth why in bloody h ...l can't we declare war on them. Shocked


How many terrorist plots have been stopped by the war in Iraq or Afganastan? Zero. All of the plots that have been stopped have been stopped with good law enforcement. If we were to take just one tenth of the money we've wasted in Iraq and invested it in law enforcement, we'd be just fine. And even if we did have a few terrorist attacks that killed a few hundred Americans, it's far less than the number of Americans that have been killed in Iraq. More people have become terrorists BECAUSE of our actions in the middle east than before we went in. We are creating a whole generation of terrorists that our kids and grand kids will be fighting. The problem is that they won't have any money to fight them with because they will still be paying for THIS war.
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clhenry



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:09 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

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How many terrorist plots have been stopped by the war in Iraq or Afganastan? Zero. All of the plots that have been stopped have been stopped with good law enforcement.

Most of these agency's were created after 911 to fight terrorism, and are tied into the the war against terrorist. Also terror attacks are down 60% all over the world, not just Iraq. Many factions have surrendered and layed down their weapons, and went back to a regular life. Others have stated they don't agree with what and who the terrorist are attacking and have walked away.
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And even if we did have a few terrorist attacks that killed a few hundred Americans, it's far less than the number of Americans that have been killed in Iraq.

You may be happy if we have a few terrorist attacks that only kill a few hundred people, but i'm not, and i don't know to many Americans who would be. We have more people killed from gang violence on our street corners killed per year than we do soldiers killed yearly in Iraq.
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michael_e



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:44 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

I believe Sen. McCain has more than enough experience to fullfill the "Commander-in-Chief of the military forces" part of the presidency because of his military career as a whole. Both he and Sen. Obama have yards of experience in domestic issues because of their political offices held. What both need to do is what Ronald Reagan did - surround yourself with a VP, cabinet and staff that will fill the inexperience gaps, like the economy for McCain (by his own admission), and all things military (CinC) for Obama. Noone can be "experienced" in all aspects and responsibilities that go to making up a president, so, IMO, that's why you carefully vet a VEEP and cherry pick the best and brightest to advise you in your more inexperienced areas. That would raise the electorate's confidence level in each candidate's capability to run the country.

My dve kopecki

Mike, Independent and Undecided in MD
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clhenry



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:57 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

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surround yourself with a VP, cabinet and staff that will fill the inexperience gaps

I've been saying that all along. the VP pick will probably decide this election.
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mommabear



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:24 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

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you can't find it cause they bullied the web search engines and page hosts to remove it from the web.

it was in one of his two books.


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"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."-Fiction!
This is a corruption of a quote from Obama's book The Audacity of Hope. It is from a section that talks about the concerns of immigrants who are American citizens.

Here is the accurate and more complete quote: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Updated 5/13/08
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-books.htm

Search results from Google of this quote:
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,650

http://tinyurl.com/5zj54f


I should have thought of Snopes earlier.

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Summary of the eRumor:
A collection of quotes from two books written by Senator Barack Obama that try to highlight his attitudes about race and Islam.
The Truth:
All but two of the quotes seem to be accurate, but are taken out of context.

One of the quotes does not exist and the one about Islam is fabricated.

Also, whoever constructed this eRumor claims that some of the quotes are from a book by Obama titled Dreams of My Father. The actual title of Obama's book is Dreams From my Father.

In response to email rumors that have circulated about Obama, his campaign has created a page to respond to the rumors. CLICK HERE for the "Fight the Smears" page.

(CLICK HERE for a list of other related stories about Barack Obama)


Maybe you should do a little more homework before making unfounded accusations.
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ejward



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:44 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

clhenry wrote:

You may be happy if we have a few terrorist attacks that only kill a few hundred people, but i'm not, and i don't know to many Americans who would be. We have more people killed from gang violence on our street corners killed per year than we do soldiers killed yearly in Iraq.


And those same gang killings are going to happen regardless of what happens with terrorism. Personally, I would rather see FEWER Americans killed by terrorism. A few hundred civillians versus thousands of servicemen? I'd be willing to take my chances.
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ejward



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:45 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

michael_e wrote:
I believe Sen. McCain has more than enough experience to fullfill the "Commander-in-Chief of the military forces" part of the presidency because of his military career as a whole. Both he and Sen. Obama have yards of experience in domestic issues because of their political offices held. What both need to do is what Ronald Reagan did - surround yourself with a VP, cabinet and staff that will fill the inexperience gaps, like the economy for McCain (by his own admission), and all things military (CinC) for Obama. Noone can be "experienced" in all aspects and responsibilities that go to making up a president, so, IMO, that's why you carefully vet a VEEP and cherry pick the best and brightest to advise you in your more inexperienced areas. That would raise the electorate's confidence level in each candidate's capability to run the country.

My dve kopecki

Mike, Independent and Undecided in MD


I wish they would pick their whole cabinet during the campaign. Then, we'd be voting for the better team.
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ejward



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:45 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

clhenry wrote:
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surround yourself with a VP, cabinet and staff that will fill the inexperience gaps

I've been saying that all along. the VP pick will probably decide this election.


I think it will for me.
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xavierx



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

ejward wrote:
Personally, I would rather see FEWER Americans killed by terrorism. A few hundred civillians versus thousands of servicemen? I'd be willing to take my chances.

The big difference is that the soldiers volunteered to do a job that they know might get them killed. How many of the victims of terror in this country expected to get killed by a terrorist?

And there have been more than a "few hundred" victims of terrorism against America and American interests. Even the American total exceeds a "few hundred."
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mommabear



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:49 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

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The big difference is that the soldiers volunteered to do a job that they know might get them killed. How many of the victims of terror in this country expected to get killed by a terrorist?


I'm sorry, but they didn't volunteer for this mess that they're in now. You have to believe that in your heart. Our soldiers got the royal shaft and continue to get it. Even after they finally do get to come home.

Nothing they've done in Iraq is going to make the odds of another terrorist attack here less, because Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks in the first place. If a future attack comes as retaliation for what we've done over there, it's certainly not going to be the fault of our troops.

I'm with ej, on this one. They've done enough, sacrificed enough, died enough. I'll take my chances too. We need to bring them home.
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kenmabmcc



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:42 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

clhenry wrote:

I've been saying that all along. the VP pick will probably decide this election.


I think it will be the economy and the price of petrol that will decide the US election.

The poor republican regulation of the economy,
and the poor choices the bush administration have made in the Middle East,
that have driven up the cost of gasoline, far higher than increased demand would.

Wink
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drwho07



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:31 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Did you see on the news where the truck drivers in India have parked their trucks and walked away.....in protest of the high fuel prices?

Did Bush cause that? I seriously doubt it!

On the Commander & Chief debate.....
I don't think the President of the US should be the Commander of the armed forces. That should be the job of the top General.
Every time an officer gets a promotion, he's expected to take on more responsibility. Our top General should be the Commander of ALL our armed forces. The office of the president should be an administrative post, not a Military post. There's no guarantee that any president will have the ability, experience or knowledge to be the Commander of the military. Not since "Ike" have we had a president with the experience and qualifications to be the Commander & Chief of our armed forces.

The CEO of GM, can't build a car and the CEO of GE can't build a light bulb or a jet engine.

Let the people with the experience to properly do a job.....do the job.

Now, who has the most experience in our form of Government, to be the CEO of the United States? Question

I rest my case.
Doc Cool
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Sgt Schultz



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:22 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Unfortunately we have two senators running for president. Senators legislate, they don't manage or govern. It doesn't matter how long they've been in office they don't run anything. At least Bush was a governor. I may not like his politics but at least he had that level of experience.

As for the president being the Commander in Chief of the armed forces it is not a "military" position. The Constitution clearly spells out that it is a civilian position. That is why I laughed when Clinton pulled that card during the Lewinsky scandal..but I digress. The Joint Chiefs of Staff advise the president and he makes the decision to go or no go. After that the generals in charge run the show as far as tactics and such. If the president is getting involved in tactical situations we are asking for nothing but trouble i.e. Vietnam.
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