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xavierx
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 Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:31 am Post subject: Chicago Homicides Exceed U.S. Iraq Deaths |
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http://newsbusters.org/blogs/michael-m-bates/2009/01/02/chicago-homici...-exceed
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In the sheer exhilaration of the impending Age of Obama, it's understandable that some stories are overlooked. One that might not be considered newsworthy is the fact that last year homicides in Barack Obama's hometown of Chicago substantially exceeded the number of deaths of U.S. soldiers in Iraq. As the AP itself reported:
According to a tally by The Associated Press, at least 314 U.S. soldiers died in Iraq in 2008, down from 904 in the previous year.
And the Chicago Tribune reported today:
Chicago closed out the year with 509 homicides, an increase of about 15 percent over 2007. . .
Obama, of course, has characterized U.S. involvement in Iraq as a "complete failure" and advocates the withdrawal of our military. If Iraq's a total failure, how does Obama view what's taking place in his own hometown? Should America stop sending millions, possibly billions, of dollars in assistance to what is obviously a losing effort? ... |
More good news in Iraq ignored by the media. And of course the good news was caused by us ignoring the surrender calls from Obama. And I agree with the question - should we now surrender Chicago? |
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ejward
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| Woot !!! 300 Americans died in Iraq. I'm sure their families are celebrating right now.
How many Americans would have died there if we had pulled our troops out?
As far as Chicago goes. Their murder rate is MUCH lower than it was in 2003, 2002, 2001, 2000, 1999, etc. Why no post here with THAT great news? Their murder rate is far less than deaths in Iraq in previous years yet, nobody posting the good news here. Why is Chicago so important now?
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CowpokeBob
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:47 am Post subject: Re: Chicago Homicides Exceed U.S. Iraq Deaths [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/michael-m-bates/2009/01/02/chicago-homicides-exceed-u-s-iraq-deaths-it-news
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In the sheer exhilaration of the impending Age of Obama, it's understandable that some stories are overlooked. One that might not be considered newsworthy is the fact that last year homicides in Barack Obama's hometown of Chicago substantially exceeded the number of deaths of U.S. soldiers in Iraq. As the AP itself reported:
According to a tally by The Associated Press, at least 314 U.S. soldiers died in Iraq in 2008, down from 904 in the previous year.
And the Chicago Tribune reported today:
Chicago closed out the year with 509 homicides, an increase of about 15 percent over 2007. . .
Obama, of course, has characterized U.S. involvement in Iraq as a "complete failure" and advocates the withdrawal of our military. If Iraq's a total failure, how does Obama view what's taking place in his own hometown? Should America stop sending millions, possibly billions, of dollars in assistance to what is obviously a losing effort? ... |
More good news in Iraq ignored by the media. And of course the good news was caused by us ignoring the surrender calls from Obama. And I agree with the question - should we now surrender Chicago? |
By the reckoning of the Liberals its obvious that Chicago is a lost cause and we should immediately pull out  |
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CowpokeBob
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:11 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| ejward wrote: |
Woot !!! 300 Americans died in Iraq. I'm sure their families are celebrating right now.
How many Americans would have died there if we had pulled our troops out?
As far as Chicago goes. Their murder rate is MUCH lower than it was in 2003, 2002, 2001, 2000, 1999, etc. Why no post here with THAT great news? Their murder rate is far less than deaths in Iraq in previous years yet, nobody posting the good news here. Why is Chicago so important now? |
I'll take a shot at that. The first comment is totally off the wall, uncalled for and doesn't deserve a response. The second has no real meaning since its pure conjecture. Hence no response needed, As for Chicago's murder rate I believe you just did, but that is after all mostly yesterday's news. And for the last, because Obama hails from there and anrything to do with Obama is important. Really, I have to expalin that? |
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ejward
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Chicago Homicides Exceed U.S. Iraq Deaths [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| CowpokeBob wrote: |
| xavierx wrote: |
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/michael-m-bates/2009/01/02/chicago-homicides-exceed-u-s-iraq-deaths-it-news
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In the sheer exhilaration of the impending Age of Obama, it's understandable that some stories are overlooked. One that might not be considered newsworthy is the fact that last year homicides in Barack Obama's hometown of Chicago substantially exceeded the number of deaths of U.S. soldiers in Iraq. As the AP itself reported:
According to a tally by The Associated Press, at least 314 U.S. soldiers died in Iraq in 2008, down from 904 in the previous year.
And the Chicago Tribune reported today:
Chicago closed out the year with 509 homicides, an increase of about 15 percent over 2007. . .
Obama, of course, has characterized U.S. involvement in Iraq as a "complete failure" and advocates the withdrawal of our military. If Iraq's a total failure, how does Obama view what's taking place in his own hometown? Should America stop sending millions, possibly billions, of dollars in assistance to what is obviously a losing effort? ... |
More good news in Iraq ignored by the media. And of course the good news was caused by us ignoring the surrender calls from Obama. And I agree with the question - should we now surrender Chicago? |
By the reckoning of the Liberals its obvious that Chicago is a lost cause and we should immediately pull out |
So we should have a surge in Chicago and start bombing? Perhaps killing innocent people?
What people fail to realize is that a war is much different than police work. The war in Iraq has CAUSED more terrorism around the world. All of the terrorist plots that have been foiled have been done with good police work rather than war. If you are suggesting that we should concentrate as many resources on police work to fight terrorism as we have in war, then you have my full support. |
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ejward
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:40 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| CowpokeBob wrote: |
| ejward wrote: |
Woot !!! 300 Americans died in Iraq. I'm sure their families are celebrating right now.
How many Americans would have died there if we had pulled our troops out?
As far as Chicago goes. Their murder rate is MUCH lower than it was in 2003, 2002, 2001, 2000, 1999, etc. Why no post here with THAT great news? Their murder rate is far less than deaths in Iraq in previous years yet, nobody posting the good news here. Why is Chicago so important now? |
I'll take a shot at that. The first comment is totally off the wall, uncalled for and doesn't deserve a response. The second has no real meaning since its pure conjecture. Hence no response needed, As for Chicago's murder rate I believe you just did, but that is after all mostly yesterday's news. And for the last, because Obama hails from there and anrything to do with Obama is important. Really, I have to expalin that? |
Pure conjecture? If there are no Americans in Iraq, how do you suppose that Americans could be killed there?
Because Obama is from Chicago? Where are all the posts of what was going on in Texas while Bush was President? |
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Gezzer
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:35 am Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| i never realised that Chicago was a war zone, well you live and learn … |
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tony7914
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Gezzer wrote: |
| i never realised that Chicago was a war zone, well you live and learn … |
Caught me by surprise too, you don't suppose they are making home made rockets there do you? I live pretty close to them.  |
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ejward
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Probably best to "liberate" them just to be safe. |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: Chicago Homicides Exceed U.S. Iraq Deaths [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| ejward wrote: |
| The war in Iraq has CAUSED more terrorism around the world. All of the terrorist plots that have been foiled have been done with good police work rather than war. |
Prove that, please. |
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tony7914
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| ejward wrote: |
| Probably best to "liberate" them just to be safe. |
Nah! I think we are going to be like Egypt and keep the gates closed. Let Iowa deal with them. |
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kenmabmcc
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tony7914
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| Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Chicago Homicides Exceed U.S. Iraq Deaths [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
| ejward wrote: |
| The war in Iraq has CAUSED more terrorism around the world. All of the terrorist plots that have been foiled have been done with good police work rather than war. |
Prove that, please. |
He can't prove that because it's speculation.......unless he has the ability to be in two separate realities at one time |
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ejward
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| Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Chicago Homicides Exceed U.S. Iraq Deaths [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| xavierx wrote: |
| ejward wrote: |
| The war in Iraq has CAUSED more terrorism around the world. All of the terrorist plots that have been foiled have been done with good police work rather than war. |
Prove that, please. |
Show me a plot that has been foiled by attacking Iraq. Every single foiled plot that Bush brags about was foiled by police work. |
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CowpokeBob
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| Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: Chicago Homicides Exceed U.S. Iraq Deaths [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| tony7914 wrote: |
| xavierx wrote: |
| ejward wrote: |
| The war in Iraq has CAUSED more terrorism around the world. All of the terrorist plots that have been foiled have been done with good police work rather than war. |
Prove that, please. |
He can't prove that because it's speculation.......unless he has the ability to be in two separate realities at one time |
Who's to say he doesn't. That would at least explain a great deal of his comments. |
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tony7914
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| Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Chicago Homicides Exceed U.S. Iraq Deaths [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| CowpokeBob wrote: |
| tony7914 wrote: |
| xavierx wrote: |
| ejward wrote: |
| The war in Iraq has CAUSED more terrorism around the world. All of the terrorist plots that have been foiled have been done with good police work rather than war. |
Prove that, please. |
He can't prove that because it's speculation.......unless he has the ability to be in two separate realities at one time |
Who's to say he doesn't. That would at least explain a great deal of his comments. |
Lmao!!!! |
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xavierx
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| Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Chicago Homicides Exceed U.S. Iraq Deaths [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| ejward wrote: |
| xavierx wrote: |
| ejward wrote: |
| The war in Iraq has CAUSED more terrorism around the world. All of the terrorist plots that have been foiled have been done with good police work rather than war. |
Prove that, please. |
Show me a plot that has been foiled by attacking Iraq. Every single foiled plot that Bush brags about was foiled by police work. |
No. You made the claim that the Iraq war caused more terrorism, and that every terrorist plot that has been foiled was due to police work rather than war. Back up both claims, or admit you were just ranting. Heck, back up either claim, and I'd be impressed. |
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ejward
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CowpokeBob
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| Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:57 pm Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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That's rich. So they counted all of the insurgent attacks committed in Iraq and Afghanistan during the war as terrorist acts because civilians were killed and an call it a huge increase in terrorism, LOL. Quite true in so far as it goes and very, very misleading. Yet it is another prime example of how the truth is twisted to back up an agenda. This is good propaganda. I hope you don't actually read and believe this stuff do you.
Oh and while we're on the subject I appreciate the list of foiled terrorist plots. I'ts a nice long list but it doesn't show how many plots were foiled that aren't a matter of public knowledge or how many terror acts were foiled because the terorists were killed in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars before they could commit them now does it. Since you'll probably ask me for proof of the latter statement let me answer by asking how many terrorist acts have actually been commited against us in this country since 9/11. |
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