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ZEUS_GB



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:53 am    Post subject:

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FormalDaHyde



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:19 pm    Post subject:

Sorry ZUES_GB
I should have posted a reply thanking you earlier but it SLIPped my mind!
It is funny, how you can post that link here at LG::Forums and not even get a discussion going but the original link has over 240+ replies to it at neowin.net!
I am so over slipstreaming!
I am thinking it is a waste of time... unless you are in charge of pushing updates to at least a dozen computers each time a new update comes up!
Otherwise, the setup and production of the final slipstreamed bootable media is too time consuming for common folk... every ~6months these slipstreamed disks become coasters as they become old!

Thank you, again!
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nlinecomputers



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:41 pm    Post subject:

I can create a slipstreamed XP disk with the latest service pack in about 20 min. Considering that it takes an hour to install XP bare and 2-3 to update it to the latest packs that cuts reinstall time in about half. Also if you ever have a problem and need to do a repair install of windows it's better to do with the slipstreamed disk as using an non service packed disk for the repair can leave you with a system that is still broken and unable to install the Service Pack.
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FormalDaHyde



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:07 pm    Post subject:

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I can create a slipstreamed XP disk with the latest service pack in about 20 min. Considering that it takes an hour to install XP bare and 2-3 to update it to the latest packs that cuts reinstall time in about half. Also if you ever have a problem and need to do a repair install of windows it's better to do with the slipstreamed disk as using an non service packed disk for the repair can leave you with a system that is still broken and unable to install the Service Pack.
Probably true, but I spend that 20minutes to create AcronisTrueImage DVDs, that gets me out of most any jam! This is the order of the day for any of my compatriots that need PC assistance from me. I have played around with SlipStreaming and BartsPE and etc. but I find them too time consuming as I don't have to service dozen+ computers.
I am not disagreeing with either of you on this topic!
Just a IMHO! :whistling:
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ejward



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:14 pm    Post subject:

Easiest way to slipstream a SP into XP:

Expand the SP to your HD

Create an ISO of a Windows XP CD

Use WinISO to crack open the ISO

Replace the original I386 folder in the ISO with the one from the SP

Save the new ISO

Burn a CD from the ISO


That's it. No creating special floppy images from DAT files, etc.


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nlinecomputers



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:56 pm    Post subject:

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I can create a slipstreamed XP disk with the latest service pack in about 20 min. Considering that it takes an hour to install XP bare and 2-3 to update it to the latest packs that cuts reinstall time in about half. Also if you ever have a problem and need to do a repair install of windows it's better to do with the slipstreamed disk as using an non service packed disk for the repair can leave you with a system that is still broken and unable to install the Service Pack.
Probably true, but I spend that 20minutes to create AcronisTrueImage DVDs, that gets me out of most any jam! This is the order of the day for any of my compatriots that need PC assistance from me. I have played around with SlipStreaming and BartsPE and etc. but I find them too time consuming as I don't have to service dozen+ computers.
I am not disagreeing with either of you on this topic!
Just a IMHO! :whistling:



Well the only problem with that method is that is doesn't take into account your data. If you data changes between your last backup you loose it all. And most people aren't savy enough to point the data to a seperate partition.
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FormalDaHyde



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:06 pm    Post subject:

Yeah, I have the separation of "church and state" in my system... errrrrrrrrr! :blink:
My data NEVER shares the same partition/volume/HDD with my system/OS!
But that portion of this conversation is moot as SlipStreaming offers zero protection to user generated files!

Archiving and backing up of user files/data, is a totally different subject but as you have said: a subject that should NOT ever be ignored in any system... Although, Imaging of drive(s) does provide such benefits, if it is properly scheduled and executed!
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nlinecomputers



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:31 pm    Post subject:

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But that portion of this conversation is moot as SlipStreaming offers zero protection to user generated files!


Well not entirely. You can have a trashed OS and use a slipstreamed disk to do a repair install that preserves data.
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Charred



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:45 pm    Post subject:

Unless something has changed at Autostreamer, those of us that that bought a Dell are out of luck. It is my understanding that a "reinstallation CD" cannot be slipstreamed. Mad Sad Smile

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FormalDaHyde



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:10 pm    Post subject:

PostReply#8 and PostReply#9 are 2 great reasons when Imaging works out to be a nicely deployable alternative!
1. "You can have a trashed OS and use a slipstreamed disk to do a repair install that preserves data">>
If imaging task is executed properly (*and all "UserData" is stored in same partition), "reinstallation/repair" via an Image file (*.tib) is only an 8 minute job on a 40GByte HDD with a DVD image, and data is also restored. Maybe what I mean by UserData (files generated/saved by a user, not user specific OS settings or customizations).
2. In the case of the Dell dilemma>>
The alternative becomes an Image of the HDD as nothing else would work. In fact, the Toshiba M55 laptop that we got for my g/f, was first imaged in a virgin-from-factory OS install state. Then and upon blowing that OS off and reinstalling everything AND the kitchen sink for her, another image was created so that either/or image can be at hand and can be shoe-horned back into the same laptop.

The only drawback is that the images created become specific to the system that it was created in/for.

Sorry, I sound like a living ad for Imaging, but unless you have used it and forced others to use it, you possibly cannot admire what an elegant solution it is to crashes. I intentionally do stuff to my PC, just to see how far I can take it, and if I slip... oh well... it is but an 8minute job to restore the whole system again.
I don't even bother with many crash recovery programs any more! Oh and you should see the smiles on those who have been forced to pay/use AcronisTrueImage... when their system crashes.
I have had people literally bowing in front of me for forcing them to pay/install AcronisTrueImage.
Most don't even know what it is. But when I get the call or the visit of someone that just had a system crash, you ought to see the change in demeanor in about 8minutes of tinkering with their system.

... little OffTopic... but not by much! :harhar:
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