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seaeagle
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 Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject: Australia to give $2,000 subsidies to car LPG convertors |
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Howard unveils $1.5b alternative fuels package. 14/08/2006. ABC News Online
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The Prime Minister has unveiled a $1.5 billion plan to encourage the use of alternative fuels.
John Howard has confirmed that from today a $1,000 rebate will be available for the purchase of new LPG powered vehicles.
There will be a $2,000 grant for the conversion of existing vehicles from petrol to LPG.
Mr Howard has told Parliament that the package also includes increased oil exploration and grants for petrol stations to install ethanol pumps.
"This is a difficult time for Australians faced with high petrol prices and it is only appropriate that the benefits which accrue to Australia from our substantial resource base flow through beyond a narrow part of our society," Mr Howard said.
Mr Howard says the package will help motorists deal with the rising cost of petrol.
"The fuel bill for a six cylinder vehicle travelling 15,000 kilometres a year would be cut by $27 a week," he said. |
I think this is a very good idea. We've got huge reserves of LPG down here, so it will (hopefully) have a big impact on our reliance on imported fuels. |
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gcarlson
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Australia to give $2,000 subsidies to car LPG convertors [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Hey! I would love it! Problem is, LPG is just as bad as Oril. Nice gesture, lousy timing.
But if LPG goes down, snap it up!
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seaeagle
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Australia to give $2,000 subsidies to car LPG convertors [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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Here there's a big cost difference to the motorist. As of yesterday, prices per litre here were:
Diesel - $1.444
Petrol - $1.424
LPG - $0.599
Source: NSW Fuel Prices @ ExplorOz |
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gcarlson
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: Australia to give $2,000 subsidies to car LPG convertors [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| seaeagle wrote: |
Here there's a big cost difference to the motorist. As of yesterday, prices per litre here were:
Diesel - $1.444
Petrol - $1.424
LPG - $0.599
Source: NSW Fuel Prices @ ExplorOz |
You are subsidized already!
I use it for Hot water, and it is (USD) 3.75 as of the latest!
Grab it! before they realize they are getting ripped off! LOL |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: Australia to give $2,000 subsidies to car LPG convertors [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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LP burns,,,,yes,,,, but has very low power levels compared to gasoline.
Here, it's dang'd expensive. The last LP I bought over two years ago was $2.50 per gallon delivered in 100 gallon lots.
Gasoline was $2.81 per gallon at the pump here locally today.
Lowest price in central FL.
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gcarlson
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Australia to give $2,000 subsidies to car LPG convertors [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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there is only my Wife and I and then my sons every now and then. So we use about 150 gals a year. And they get us for it! Last one was Ouch!
If the Aussies are going to subsidize it (like the Arabs and Chavez does), gofor it! |
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seaeagle
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Australia to give $2,000 subsidies to car LPG convertors [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Just to clarify, we're not subsidising LPG. The government will give people who buy a new LPG converted car a grant of $1,000 as an incentive to change from petrol, and those who convert their current cars to LPG $2,000 to help cover the costs. |
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Gary66
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Australia to give $2,000 subsidies to car LPG convertors [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| seaeagle wrote: |
| Just to clarify, we're not subsidising LPG. The government will give people who buy a new LPG converted car a grant of $1,000 as an incentive to change from petrol, and those who convert their current cars to LPG $2,000 to help cover the costs. |
So now your playing a word game  |
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gcarlson
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Australia to give $2,000 subsidies to car LPG convertors [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| seaeagle wrote: |
| Just to clarify, we're not subsidising LPG. The government will give people who buy a new LPG converted car a grant of $1,000 as an incentive to change from petrol, and those who convert their current cars to LPG $2,000 to help cover the costs. |
Sorry SE. If you are getting it for that price, it is subsidized. This is a world economy. They can sell it for much more overseas. They chose to "give" it to you at that price. that is called a subsidy.
There is no evil in it! Take advantage! But let me ask you this.
You got a widget. Some Aussie will pay you $5 for it. But some Yank will pay you $50 for it. Who do you sell it to?
And why?
p.s. The price is net (so dont think about shipping). |
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seaeagle
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Australia to give $2,000 subsidies to car LPG convertors [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| Gary66 wrote: |
| seaeagle wrote: |
| Just to clarify, we're not subsidising LPG. The government will give people who buy a new LPG converted car a grant of $1,000 as an incentive to change from petrol, and those who convert their current cars to LPG $2,000 to help cover the costs. |
So now your playing a word game |
No Gary  Just making it clear that we don't do what Chavez & the Arabs do by subsidising our fuel. I'm against doing something like that, but I do support financial grants to car owners to convert their cars to LPG. |
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Gary66
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: Australia to give $2,000 subsidies to car LPG convertors [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| seaeagle wrote: |
| Gary66 wrote: |
| seaeagle wrote: |
| Just to clarify, we're not subsidising LPG. The government will give people who buy a new LPG converted car a grant of $1,000 as an incentive to change from petrol, and those who convert their current cars to LPG $2,000 to help cover the costs. |
So now your playing a word game |
No Gary Just making it clear that we don't do what Chavez & the Arabs do by subsidising our fuel. I'm against doing something like that, but I do support financial grants to car owners to convert their cars to LPG. |
And that is a Govt subsidy.  |
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gcarlson
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Australia to give $2,000 subsidies to car LPG convertors [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| yes it is. Nothing wrong with it! Enjoy! Just call a spade a spade. |
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seaeagle
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Australia to give $2,000 subsidies to car LPG convertors [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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We don't subsidise our LPG - market forces set the prices. It is internationally traded at "the Saudi Contract price". The local price is also based on the Saudi Contract price (things such as local transportation, storage, vendor costs etc also have to be factored in).
FACT SHEET Liquified Petroleum Gas
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What factors determine Australian LPG prices?
* LPG prices in Australia are closely linked to international prices because:
o Australian LPG producers have the option of exporting their product at world prices or selling it locally; and
o Australia needs to import LPG at world prices into east coast markets where there is a propane shortage.
* International prices for LPG are generally based on the Saudi Aramco Contract Price (Saudi contract price). This price is based on tenders received for supply to potential customers and prevails for all shipments in the relevant month for which the contract price has been posted.
* LPG producers and importers in Australia generally determine an Australian landed price based on the Saudi contract price plus a freight allowance (from Saudi Arabia), insurance and loss, storage and handling. The freight and insurance related cost components currently approximate US$45 per tonne, while storage and handling costs can vary.
* Retail LPG prices will reflect the above base cost plus transportation and storage costs within Australia, wholesale and retail selling margins, franchise fees and bulk breaking costs. Retail prices also are subject to intense competition for market share in the capital cities leading to discount cycles for automotive LPG. As LPG is transported in tanks under pressure it is necessarily more expensive to transport LPG than to transport petrol.
* As the international price for LPG is determined monthly, volatility in the Australian market is influenced primarily by strong competition in the local retail markets. |
Also: LPG Australia: LPG Answers - Pricing Facts
But, as you say, just enjoy the cheap prices  I guess we're fortunate in that way - you get cheap gasoline, we get cheap LPG.
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gcarlson
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: Australia to give $2,000 subsidies to car LPG convertors [Login to view extended thread Info.] |
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| seaeagle wrote: |
We don't subsidise our LPG - market forces set the prices. It is internationally traded at "the Saudi Contract price". The local price is also based on the Saudi Contract price (things such as local transportation, storage, vendor costs etc also have to be factored in).
FACT SHEET Liquified Petroleum Gas
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What factors determine Australian LPG prices?
* LPG prices in Australia are closely linked to international prices because:
o Australian LPG producers have the option of exporting their product at world prices or selling it locally; and
o Australia needs to import LPG at world prices into east coast markets where there is a propane shortage.
* International prices for LPG are generally based on the Saudi Aramco Contract Price (Saudi contract price). This price is based on tenders received for supply to potential customers and prevails for all shipments in the relevant month for which the contract price has been posted.
* LPG producers and importers in Australia generally determine an Australian landed price based on the Saudi contract price plus a freight allowance (from Saudi Arabia), insurance and loss, storage and handling. The freight and insurance related cost components currently approximate US$45 per tonne, while storage and handling costs can vary.
* Retail LPG prices will reflect the above base cost plus transportation and storage costs within Australia, wholesale and retail selling margins, franchise fees and bulk breaking costs. Retail prices also are subject to intense competition for market share in the capital cities leading to discount cycles for automotive LPG. As LPG is transported in tanks under pressure it is necessarily more expensive to transport LPG than to transport petrol.
* As the international price for LPG is determined monthly, volatility in the Australian market is influenced primarily by strong competition in the local retail markets. |
Also: LPG Australia: LPG Answers - Pricing Facts
But, as you say, just enjoy the cheap prices I guess we're fortunate in that way - you get cheap gasoline, we get cheap LPG. |
No,sorry, If I can get your LPG cheaper there, and not so cheap here, it is subsidized. Period.
If you are not paying market prices, you are getting a deal. But dont sneeze at it! Enjoy it!
When I can get Aussie gas for your price, then I will beleive you.
No, LPG! Not the other! I take it back! OMG! That is so nasty!  |
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