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bern



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:22 pm    Post subject: Armenian Genocide

It seems the Democrats are about to alienate one of our stauchest mideast allies at a very inopportune time, and for no very good reason. I bet it has to do with making things worse in Iraq. The Turks have been holding off at American behest from going across the border massively to chase Kurdish rebels. Maybe when we make them mad enough they will do so, and destabilize the North as well. And the resolution will not accomplish anything concrete for anybody's welfare.

James Fallows http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/10/just_curious_re_t...armenia

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Before leaving China, I hadn't heard about the House of Representatives' vote on a resolution condemning Turkey for the Armenian genocide of the World War I era.

Now that I've heard about it, I find that it leads naturally to this question:

Is America insane??????

To be more precise: have the Congressional Democratic leaders lost their minds in not finding a way to bottle up this destructive and self-righteously posturing measure?

Maybe they think that the U.S. has so many friends in the Islamic world, especially in countries bordering Iraq, that it should go out of its way to make new enemies?

Or -- and this is truly appalling possibility -- perhaps they think that America’s moral standing is so high at the moment that we will be admired and thanked worldwide for delivering condemnations of sins committed in the waning days of the Ottoman Empire?

Why not go all the way? How about a resolution condemning China for the millions who suffered in the Cultural Revolution and the tens of millions starved during the Great Leap Forward – right as we’re seeking China’s help on Burma, North Korea, the environment, etc? I mean, for each Armenian the Ottoman Turks slaughtered, at least ten Chinese citizens perished at the hands of the regime whose successors still rule the country. And the government's official stance of denial is just about as strong. So, why not just tell them they were evil? The timing would be especially nice during China's current Party Congress.

I'm sure we could get a unanimous vote for a resolution condemning North Korea for any of a hundred grievous offenses; that would be a good complement to the recent nuclear deal. Why not one denouncing Russia for the Czarist pogroms, to accompany efforts to reason with/rein in Putin? Maybe another condemning England for its subjugation and slaughter of the Scots, to say nothing of the Irish – while also asking Gordon Brown to stay the course in Iraq? What about Australia for its historic treatment of the Aborigines? Or the current nations of West Africa for their role in the slave trade?

The Armenian genocide was real; many Turks pretend it wasn’t. They are wrong, and we should stand for what's right. But it’s hard to think of a more willfully self-indulgent step than lecturing Turkey's current government and people 90 years late.
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seaeagle



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:00 am    Post subject: Re: Armenian Genocide [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Certainly not the best of timing, though it would be nice to see Turkey recognise it's past wrongs eventually.
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Sgt Schultz



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:04 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

There is no doubt that internal US politics are playing a part in this. The timing is bad. But, and there is always a big but, someone once said the following:

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"The twentieth century was marred by wars of unimaginable brutality, mass murder and genocide. History records that the Armenians were the first people of the last century to have endured these cruelties. The Armenians were subjected to a genocidal campaign that defies comprehension and commands all decent people to remember and acknowledge the facts and lessons of an awful crime in a century of bloody crimes against humanity. If elected President, I would ensure that our nation properly recognizes the tragic suffering of the Armenian people."


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This is not the first time that this kind of resolution has been discussed and considered by congress. And as I said, I agree that politics are being played and it is not a good time to put this forward. But it looks like the stance from Pelosi may be changing.

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ABC News' George Stephanopoulos Reports: According to Congressional and Bush administration sources, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is now unlikely to bring a resolution which would label the deaths of Armenians in a conflict more than 90 years ago as "genocide".

Pelosi, as recently as Sunday on "This Week", has repeatedly said she would call the controversial but nonbinding resolution for a vote despite the opposition of the Bush administration and warnings that it could damage U.S. relations with Turkey.

President Bush called Speaker Pelosi on Monday night and asked her to pull the bill. But Congressional sources say that Pelosi is telling House members that she will not bring the bill to the floor without majority support.


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Personally I don't see any reason for our country to be involved in this kind of resolution at all. I imagine we, the United States would be upset if some other country decided to pass a resolution condemning the citizens of this country for slavery or the treatment of native Americans in the 1800s. It accomplishes nothing.
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