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kenmabmcc
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| http://archives.thedaily.washington.edu/19...98/ph.5.17.html
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| I should have been living in my small, peaceful village of Beit Daras. Unfortunately, the village was destroyed by Jewish terrorist groups in 1948. They destroyed another 417 villages and towns in the process of taking over a land that was not theirs to take. |
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| They also had a claim that God had promised them 3,000 years ago to conquer the land and the peaceful Palestinian people. They killed more than 13,000 and exiled 1.2 million Palestinians in a few short months. |
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enorml
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Had to stop reading after the second sentence. Anybody who could label a people's leader as a "bloodthirsty ghoul" refuses to see any side of any argument except for his own.
The same crimes that the author accuses Arafat of can be attributed to Andrew Jackson, Lyndon Johnson, or even George Bush. The only difference were the weapons used, and the identity of the victims (rifles and Indians for Jackson, bombs and Vietnamese for Johnson, and scatter-bombs and Iraqis for Bush).
The author is doing the US no favor by trying to incite hatred for Arafat, and the people he represents, the Palestinians. He is somebody who is attacking the history and policies of one people, while ignoring the history and policies of his own.
Who's right and who's wrong doesn't matter. Arafat and his people feel like they have no other recourse of action. Indeed, as the article states, they have been waging their war for decades - and it has produced very little reward for their efforts because we constantly take the easy road and simply label them as monsters, and try to make the world forget about them.
The only way to end terrorism is to give those people due process. Until they feel like they're being listened to, they will continue to kill those who ignore them. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| You are correct and they never would have freedom or self govern under Arafat. The Palestinians are in need of a leader that really wants peace. Arafat never wanted to coexist with the Jews. |
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kenmabmcc
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http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm
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| September 1982: Israeli raids and bombardments continued during the weeks following the raid on Beirut in July. It was the beginning of the invasion of Beirut; after which an 80 days war led by Ariel Sharon, (then War Minister of Israel) resulted in the destruction of much of Beirut, killing and wounding thousands of Palestinians and Lebanese civilians. It was during this invasion that the massacre of the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps was committed. Where over 2,500 Palestinian women, children and elderly people were slaughtered in cold blood. Even the Israeli high court held a number of the Israeli military officers, including Sharon, responsible. |
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gcarlson
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http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm
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| September 1982: Israeli raids and bombardments continued during the weeks following the raid on Beirut in July. It was the beginning of the invasion of Beirut; after which an 80 days war led by Ariel Sharon, (then War Minister of Israel) resulted in the destruction of much of Beirut, killing and wounding thousands of Palestinians and Lebanese civilians. It was during this invasion that the massacre of the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps was committed. Where over 2,500 Palestinian women, children and elderly people were slaughtered in cold blood. Even the Israeli high court held a number of the Israeli military officers, including Sharon, responsible. |
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And how many of them would have become suicide bombers? The Israilis are lot more restrained than we are, with a known enemy that thinks nothing of killing innocents.
You can sit on your island and pontificate, but the truth is if Israel was your home, you would think the response was mild.
I will not condemn them for trying to eradicate those who are trying to kill them. Not after 9-11, but even before. |
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http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm
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| September 1982: Israeli raids and bombardments continued during the weeks following the raid on Beirut in July. It was the beginning of the invasion of Beirut; after which an 80 days war led by Ariel Sharon, (then War Minister of Israel) resulted in the destruction of much of Beirut, killing and wounding thousands of Palestinians and Lebanese civilians. It was during this invasion that the massacre of the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps was committed. Where over 2,500 Palestinian women, children and elderly people were slaughtered in cold blood. Even the Israeli high court held a number of the Israeli military officers, including Sharon, responsible. |
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After how many suicide bombers? :ph34r: |
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gregofvt
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Can't we let the man die in peace? The palestinians will have a new leader. Speculation about what would have happenned in the future under Arafat serves no purpose. All it does is stir up anti-palestinian resentment.
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Martok
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The Forgotten Terrorist
By Thomas W. Murphy
He is one of the Worlds most notorious terrorists, responsible for the deaths of thousands of men, woman, and children. He's plied his trade in Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. Bombings, hijackings, and assassination; he's mastered them all.
The United States has enough evidence to indict him for the kidnapping and brutal murder of two American diplomats. The United States knows his exact location. The United States can arrest him and bring him to justice whenever it chooses.
His name is Muhammad Abd ar-Rauf al-Qudwah al-Husayni, better known as Yasser Arafat.
In March 1973, Palestinian terrorist seized the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Khartoum, Sudan, during a diplomatic reception. U.S. Ambassador Cleo Noel and Charge d' Affairs C.Curtis Moore were among those taken hostage.
The terrorist who identified themselves as members of Black September demanded the release of Sirhan Sirhan, the murderer of Robert Kennedy. When President Nixon refused this demand, the American diplomats were taken to the embassy basement where they were brutally tortured and killed.
The National Security Agency intercepted direct communications between Yasser Arafat and his operatives in the Khartoum office of al-Fatah that indicate Arafat had both planned the attack and ordered the executions.
While Arafat publicly denied any complicity in the murders, he discussed them during a private dinner with Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu in May 1973. The dinner was also attended by General Ion Mihai Pacepa, who later defected to the U.S.
Pacepa later wrote that "Arafat excitedly bragged about his Khartoum operation" in an article published in the Wall Street Journal.
American Administrations have been reluctant to pursue murder charges against Arafat due to political considerations related to the Cold War and the Middle East.
In 1986, U.S. Senators tried to force the Reagan Administration's hand by calling for an indictment against Arafat for the murders of Ambassador Noel and Charge d' Affairs Moore. Below is the text of the Senate letter sent to Attorney General Meese:
February 12, 1986
The Honorable Edwin Meese III
Department of Justice
Washington, D.C. 20530
Dear Mr. Attorney General:
We understand that the Department of Justice has received information linking PLO leader Yasser Arafat to the brutal 1973 slaying of Ambassador Cleo Noel and Charge d' Affaires C.Curtis Moore in Khartoum, Sudan.
The material is reported to include various State Department cables that may confirm Arafat's role in the murders. It is also reported to include an assertion that the U.S. government has a tape recording of an intercepted message in which Arafat allegedly ordered the assassination of Ambassador Noel and Charge d' Affaires Moore, who were taken hostage when Palestinian terrorist seized the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Khartoum on March 2, 1973.
As you know, press reports indicate that the eight terrorists involved in the incident identified themselves as members of Black September. They demanded the release from prison of Sirhan Sirhan, the Baader-Meinhof gang, and a group of Fatah members held in Jordan.
Press reports indicate that when their demands were not met, the terrorist selected the three Westerners among the hostages--U.S. Ambassador Cleo Noel, Charge d' Affaires C.Curtis Moore, and Belgian diplomat Guy Eid--and machine-gunned them after allowing them to write farewell notes to their families and beating them. A day later, the terrorist surrendered to Sudanese authorities after a lengthy round of transoceanic communications involving, among others, Arafat and the Vice President of Sudan.
Press reports indicate that Sudanese President Gaafar Mohammed Nimeiri went public at once with evidence showing that the operation had been run out of the Khartoum office of Fatah. One month after the slayings, the Washington Post reported that according to Western intelligence sources, Arafat was in the Black September radio command center in Beirut when the message to execute three Western diplomats was sent out. The Post also reported that Arafat's voice was monitored and recorded. Although according to the Post's sources, it was unclear if Arafat himself or his deputy gave the order to carry out the executions, Arafat reportedly was present in the Operations center when the message was sent and personally congratulated the guerrillas after the execution.
These allegations, if substantiated, leave little doubt that a warrant for Arafat's arrest should be issued, and a criminal indictment filed against him. To allow other factors to enter into this decision is to make a mockery of our laws and our stated commitment to eradicate terrorism. As President Reagan told an American Bar Association convention this July, "we will seek to indict, apprehend, and prosecute" terrorists.
We understand that this matter is presently under review at the Justice Department. We urge the Justice Department to assign the highest priority to completing this review, and to issue an indictment of Yasser Arafat if the evidence so warrants. We would ask that you keep us advised of the progress of your investigation.
Sincerely,
(signed by 47 U.S. Senators)
The Reagan Administration, like their predecessors, declined to pursue murder charges against Arafat out of fear of inflaming the Arab World and its affect on the Cold War.
Now that the Cold War is a distant memory, perhaps justice can finally be served. Based on the available evidence, Arafat can be indicted on charges of first-degree murder--a crime with no statue of limitations. Or will we again allow other factors to enter into this decision, making a mockery of our laws and our stated commitment to eradicate terrorism.
Related Articles: Interview with James J. Welsh, the National Security Agency analyst that worked with the communication intercepts of Yasser Arafat and Black September between Feb. 28 and Mar. 3, 1973. |
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Had to stop reading after the second sentence. Anybody who could label a people's leader as a "bloodthirsty ghoul" refuses to see any side of any argument except for his own.
The same crimes that the author accuses Arafat of can be attributed to Andrew Jackson, Lyndon Johnson, or even George Bush. The only difference were the weapons used, and the identity of the victims (rifles and Indians for Jackson, bombs and Vietnamese for Johnson, and scatter-bombs and Iraqis for Bush).
The author is doing the US no favor by trying to incite hatred for Arafat, and the people he represents, the Palestinians. He is somebody who is attacking the history and policies of one people, while ignoring the history and policies of his own.
Who's right and who's wrong doesn't matter. Arafat and his people feel like they have no other recourse of action. Indeed, as the article states, they have been waging their war for decades - and it has produced very little reward for their efforts because we constantly take the easy road and simply label them as monsters, and try to make the world forget about them.
The only way to end terrorism is to give those people due process. Until they feel like they're being listened to, they will continue to kill those who ignore them. |
Your bias is showing... |
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Can't we let the man die in peace? The palestinians will have a new leader. Speculation about what would have happenned in the future under Arafat serves no purpose. All it does is stir up anti-palestinian resentment.
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Do you havve a source for that?
I guess you do Source. |
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gregofvt
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I just got it as an email alert from our local NBC affiliate. I'm guessing all the usual sources should have it shortly.
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I just got it as an email alert from our local NBC affiliate. I'm guessing all the usual sources should have it shortly.
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See above. |
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enorml
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| You are correct and they never would have freedom or self govern under Arafat. The Palestinians are in need of a leader that really wants peace. Arafat never wanted to coexist with the Jews. |
It seems not many of anybody want to co-exist with the jews over there.
Just think of all of the leaders of those nations who have openly attacked or publicly denounced the existence of the state of Israel in the last 30 years or so.
Israel is "sand in their shorts", and I'm not exactly sure if the problem will ever be resolved ... I'd bet some other, even greater catastrophe, happens first, and makes peace in the middle east irrelevent. |
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| Do you havve a source for that? |
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I prefer the Source I provided-FNC. |
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