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kenmabmcc



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:15 am    Post subject: An Americans view of McCains choice

McCain’s honour
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I had thought that McCain was, for a politician, an honourable man. Certainly honour is one of his top selling points. But who can think so now? In choosing a woman he doesn’t know or understand, purely for electoral advantage, he reveals a dishonourable lust for office, a disrespect for women generally and a dishonourable indifference to the future of his country. After all, if this known unknown woman does become president, it will almost certainly be because he himself is dead - quite possible given his age and health - and past caring.

Though he didn’t know Palin personally, he must have known a few facts about her. He must have known that she compares feebly with previous vice-presidential candidates. Her education is minimal, her real political and managerial experience very slight. The only previous woman candidate for vice-president, the Democrat Geraldine Ferraro, was well qualified, well educated and experienced; Palin can’t hold a candle to her.


That is quite a strong statement.

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xavierx



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:22 am    Post subject:

Yes it is. Imagine that - someone has an opinion.
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mommabear



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: An Americans view of McCains choice [Login to view extended thread Info.]

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That is quite a strong statement.


Yes, it is. And based on a thoughtful consideration of events that appear now to be the final straw that broke this normally Conservative back.

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All the same, her selection was a shock. What horrified me was not so much the woman herself, though she is clearly entirely unfit to be vice-president or president. It was McCain’s cynical and sudden choice of her. Would you give power of attorney over your entire life to someone you had only met once, or possibly twice? Of course not. You would give the matter and the person very serious consideration. Yet McCain in effect is offering power of attorney over all the affairs of the United States and over all Americans, including me, to a woman he had barely met. I myself wouldn’t hire a house-sitter on such scant acquaintance. ...

I had thought that McCain was, for a politician, an honourable man. Certainly honour is one of his top selling points. But who can think so now? In choosing a woman he doesn’t know or understand, purely for electoral advantage, he reveals a dishonourable lust for office, a disrespect for women generally and a dishonourable indifference to the future of his country. After all, if this known unknown woman does become president, it will almost certainly be because he himself is dead - quite possible given his age and health - and past caring.


That's it in a nutshell. If he had nothing else he rightfully earned respect, even from Liberals, when it came to his sense of honor and duty to country that he genuinely possessed in past years. Not any more.
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xavierx



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:09 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

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I’m an American, California born. It’s true my mother was English and that I was brought up here from early childhood and think myself exceptionally lucky to belong here; I feel as English as I think anyone possibly can.

Yeah, an "American".

And again, this is based on the Media and Democrat assertion, without ANY proof, nay, with ample proof to the contrary, that McCain didn't think before he made his "accidentally brilliant" choice.

And there's nothing that says that that English-person (sorry, if I dare say woman I'll be branded sexist again) is a Conservative. Just someone with an opinion.
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Warrior-poet



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: An Americans view of McCains choice [Login to view extended thread Info.]

What is it that scares you so about Palin? I find it refreshing to see such tremors from the left. If anything this shows the wisdom of McCains choice. Now some 'opinion' holds sway because it drags him down through her?

I do believe I know why the fear is so prevalent. Should Palin prevail come November, feminism can tuck tail and flee. The greatest achievement of feminism won't be that a woman reached the vice presidency, but that a woman, the exact opposite of a feminist, no longer needed the feminist culture, to get there."

A woman who is more qualified to be President than Barack Obama and yet is too inexperienced to be John McCain's Vice-President? Holy Hypocrisy Batman!

This is why the Left reserves their deepest hatred for people like Thomas, Rice, Malkin, Coulter, and now Sarah Palin. It's because they're living, breathing, in your face examples of people the Left is supposed to "own," who don't want or need liberalism to be a success.Success that comes from facing certain realities. That, most of all, is why liberals hate and fear successful conservative women. What's worse, the best man for the job was a women. God bless America.
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mommabear



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: An Americans view of McCains choice [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Warrior-poet wrote:
What is it that scares you so about Palin? I find it refreshing to see such tremors from the left. If anything this shows the wisdom of McCains choice. Now some 'opinion' holds sway because it drags him down through her?

Speaking for myself here. I'm not scared of Palin. I am angry that McCain picked her to pander to the extreme religious right to get their votes. Remember how angry they were at Bush when he didn't follow up on his promises to them after they got him re-elected in 2004? You can bet your bottom dollar that if they get McCain in this time, they will not settle for a couple of conservative Supreme Court judges. They will expect payment in full. Overturn Roe v Wade, a constitutional amendment re: marriage, freedom to seek converts and/or require adherence to their religious points of view for their government funded Faith-based charity work, etc.

The proof of that is that they are ardently embracing McCain now. Until Palin, most of them refused to endorse him or even try to get out the Republican vote just for the sake of the party.

It was clearly pandering. And almost everyone recognizes that. Even conservatives, but many will still vote for McCain anyway. That's sad.


I do believe I know why the fear is so prevalent. No you don't. You don't have a clue. Should Palin prevail come November, feminism can tuck tail and flee. The greatest achievement of feminism won't be that a woman reached the vice presidency, but that a woman, the exact opposite of a feminist, no longer needed the feminist culture, to get there."

A woman who is more qualified to be President than Barack Obama and yet is too inexperienced to be John McCain's Vice-President? Holy Hypocrisy Batman! Still clueless.

This is why the Left reserves their deepest hatred for people like Thomas, Rice, Malkin, Coulter, and now Sarah Palin. It's because they're living, breathing, in your face examples of people the Left is supposed to "own," who don't want or need liberalism to be a success.Success that comes from facing certain realities. That, most of all, is why liberals hate and fear successful conservative women. What's worse, the best man for the job was a women. God bless America.

Oh, please! Malkin and Coulter are as hateful and bigoted as you claim Rev. White is. They spew filthy hatred in the name of conservatism and you tout them as representatives of the conservative womens movement? Rice and Thomas? Both experienced and knowledgeable. Just on opposite sides of policy and ideology.
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xavierx



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:17 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Mommabear, I agree with you about Malkin and Coulter. Warrior-Poet has a point about Palin, though. Democrats, liberals, NOW, etc., have for decades been screaming about women being able to be a mother and a worker. They've also been screaming that men should be able to be "stay at home dads" if the mother has a better job, and that there's nothing wrong with that. But with Palin, they've been "male chauvinist pigs" (even if they're women doing it). There's no other reason for that than that Palin is a Republican. The hypocrisy is astounding.
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mommabear



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Do you think I only care that a Democrat wins and never think about what might happen if McCain gets elected? If you answered yes, you'd be wrong. Forget the sub-issues over the usual political spin from both parties about who raises taxes more, big vs smaller government, etc. Here's the big picture as I see it.

I'm not against Republicans. I am against what the Republican Party has come to represent in the last 25-30 years or so, since they've been taken over by extreme ideologies...economically, socially, and internationally. I wouldn't be so frightened of a Republican winning again, if that Party of 30 years ago was still around. But they're gone.

Specific to McCain and his choice of Palin. There are so many reasons I could give for why this is so wrong, but the bottom line is I am appalled by what he's done.

He, and the now unrecognizable Republican Party, constantly run on his POW status and their professed love of country, their experience and their patriotism, and their concern for our safety; even suggesting that those who oppose them are tantamount to traitors who would put our country in jeopardy. There are dozens of other Republicans, men and women, more qualified to step in as Commander-in-Chief. Whether you want to admit it or not, that is the most important first decision a Presidential candidate makes, especially now in our modern times.

Yet he picked her. And it's so obvious why he did it. He doesn't give a rat's a** about supporting feminism, equal rights for women, etc. His voting record on women's issues supports that. He picked her to win over the religious right, and maybe a few stubborn women still upset over Hillary, so they'd get out the vote for him.

As far as I'm concerned, he's slapped every American in the face and betrayed the trust we all once put in him.
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xavierx



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Mommabear, substitute "Democrat" for "Republican" in your argument above, and you describe most Republicans and even many Democrats that I know. Democrats have become the party of socialism, of government as the solution to every problem. I don't know what happened to personal responsibility, but Democrats seem to think there should be none.

And Republicans of late have started to follow suit, which is why conservatives haven't been energized lately - there's been no conservative to vote for!

Finally, as for your argument against McCain - how is Obama qualified for the top post, if Palin has more experience and isn't qualified for second in command? If this is the "first important decision" then Democrats as a whole blew that decision!

As for the "trust you put in McCain" - you made clear months ago that you don't trust him and would never vote for him. To now try to spew the Democrat talking points and blame that on Palin doesn't fly.
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