150 million Muslims get nuclear secrets c/o GWB

dobbie6060 · Joined: Aug 24, 2007 Posts: 275

'President Bush [sic]signs away nuclear secrets to India, a country that never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and home to over 150 million Muslims.'
www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/10/20081008-4.html

ejward · Joined: Jan 06, 2003 Posts: 6528

dobbie6060 wrote:

'President Bush [sic]signs away nuclear secrets to India, a country that never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and home to over 150 million Muslims.'
www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/10/20081008-4.html

Not all Muslins are bad people. In fact, most are very peacful people. That being said, giving nuclear secrets to ANYONE in this day and age is a bad idea in my opinion. Look what Saddam did with the chemical weapon technology we gave him. We don't know who's going to be our friends 20 years from now.

dobbie6060 · Joined: Aug 24, 2007 Posts: 275

-A thousand Apologies for the heading: it was to get the attention of readers to the chicanery of the GWB gang.
[The contribution of the Arab Culture to Science,Mathematics,Medicine,Philosophy,Art,Literature,Cuisine,etc,thuout the Centuries is well known by most...]

xavierx · Joined: Nov 06, 2004 Posts: 3873

Did you bother to read the article before you posted it?

dobbie6060 · Joined: Aug 24, 2007 Posts: 275

Some of us, mrX, have learned to read between the lines...

xavierx · Joined: Nov 06, 2004 Posts: 3873

So, reading between the lines, what do you see? What is the "right" answer then?

And it's Racer X, not Mr.
Laughing

dobbie6060 · Joined: Aug 24, 2007 Posts: 275

Ahaa, a go-Faster brother! i sensed as much:cars are preferable, as motorbikes supply an excessive amount of roadrash,don't You agree?
- haven't got an answer as to who/what is right,
-just providing grist for the mill,is all

[altho there seem to be a terrifying lot of historical precedents, which should be noted to prevent history repeating itself]

xavierx · Joined: Nov 06, 2004 Posts: 3873

Motorbikes and I don't get along - for exactly the reason you said, too much of my skin and blood left on the road!

dobbie6060 · Joined: Aug 24, 2007 Posts: 275

Yup,but the bragging rights are huge. when people just stare speechless at our collection of scars,aka,barometers.
BTW,i was on my way to being crippled from all that abuse,when i read about Rolfing,'Structural Integration'.It eliminated 30yrs of h*ll in ten sessions.

bern · Joined: Mar 12, 2007 Posts: 888 Location: ann arbor

Uhhh, guys. It is not clear from the preceeding posts, but I assume you know that India is a country of over a billion people, most of whom are Hindu. And that the power structure of the country is intensely secular, and that Muslims are a decided minority there (most having moved to Pakistan at the time of partition.) The whole premise/headline of this thread is misleading at best, and simply wrong in its concept at worst.

India is not Muslim, or Arab (as was implied in another post above). Sharing Nuclear technology with India is kind of like sharing it with, say, Germany or France. Except the Indians seem to like us better. Very Happy

ejward · Joined: Jan 06, 2003 Posts: 6528

I think the point is that 150 million of the billion people in India are Muslim. I guess the rest of the country has no say on how or when they use this technology? The Hindu's in India are Ok. it's just the Muslins we need to worry about ....... obviously. Shocked

bern · Joined: Mar 12, 2007 Posts: 888 Location: ann arbor

ejward · Joined: Jan 06, 2003 Posts: 6528

Do we have to exchange nuclear secrets with a country to have "ties"? I'm sure we have other secrets that we don't share with even Canada and the UK. Is there something wrong with that? Do we have to share everything with everyone? At this point, I'm not sure I'm comfortable sharing any military secrets with anyone. Iraq and Saddam were once our best buddy. Why not share the same nuclear technology with China or Russia?

bern · Joined: Mar 12, 2007 Posts: 888 Location: ann arbor

dobbie6060 · Joined: Aug 24, 2007 Posts: 275

1-hmmm,Iraq,Iran,al-Qaeda,etc,etc were all recipients of America's largesse in decades past,you may recall: millions of dollars worth.
Today's ally is tomorrows foe
2-when in the history of politics has the welfare of the common man taken priority over militaristic objectives??
More's the pity!

The White House's Final Folly
Foreign Policy
by Eric Margolis | October 11, 2008

...India's growing fleet of Russian-supplied attack submarines, like the formidable 'Akula' are armed with the world's fastest and deadliest anti-ship missile, 'BrahMos,' a weapon designed to sink aircraft carriers. Besides India, the only nation operating carriers in the Indian Ocean is the United States Navy. Indian strategists claim this ocean as India's `Mare Nostrum.'

...India is emerging as a great power and has every right to nuclear self-defense against hostile neighbors China and Pakistan. India is also a stable democracy with a cautious government that is not about to launch nuclear war. But it seems clear, at least to this long-time regional strategist, that one day soon, India's growing power will bump into that of the world's receding hegemony, the U.S. This is most likely, as India expands its power into the oil-rich Gulf and Indian Ocean.

Selling India nuclear fuel and technology that could one day threaten US national security is dangerous and counter-productive. It's also folly driven by short-term financial greed that blinds the deal's proponents to the nation's security.

The first target of India's ICBM's will be Washington. As Marx so rightly observed, the capitalists will sell the rope with which to hang them.
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/17846
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Eric Margolis is a contributing editor at the Toronto Sun newspaper, Margolis writes for Dawn, Pakistan's leading newspaper, the Gulf Times in Qatar, the Khaleej Times in Dubai, and The American Conservative. He appears regularly on such television outlets as CNN, Fox, CBC, British Sky Broadcasting News, NPR, and CTV National. He was a regular guest on the TVOntario shows Studio 2 and Diplomatic Immunity. His log is called Foreign Correspondent.
He is affiliated with several organizations including International Institute of Strategic Studies in London and the Institute of Regional Studies based in Islamabad, Pakistan.
Margolis identifies his politics as "Eisenhower Republican". Though his domestic political persuasion is moderately conservative (he is a staunch anti-communist and a supporter of capitalism), Margolis' views on the Middle East are sharply at odds with the neoconservatives.

bern · Joined: Mar 12, 2007 Posts: 888 Location: ann arbor

Remember, India already has "the bomb".Better they follow our path than that of Russia, which they did when we didn't sell them submarines.

ejward · Joined: Jan 06, 2003 Posts: 6528